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  • RaychelSnr
    Executive Editor
    • Jan 2007
    • 4845

    #136
    Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y from last year

    Originally posted by mestevo
    360 + PS3 in the US combined dont equal the number of PS2s sold yet in the US, where exactly do you expect these sales numbers to be made up from? When considering the few million copies that have been sold so far, with another million or two likely to be sold before Madden 12, the hundred(s) of thousands of PS2 copies sold last year that were not this year are certainly one reason for this magical 18%. Also I note you come and defend your post here, what happened with your last one, when I pointed out that sales returned to normal, proving that it was just week 1 sales to draw people into their stores to pick up Madden 11 rather than a competitors?
    This 18% drop was a 12% surge in total sales just 3 short months ago using the same data. That's a huge turnaround in such a short time in terms of sales trends. The game was red hot and is now ice cold, that's not a recipe for success during the all-important Holiday season. As far as your last point, I have no idea what you are trying to say

    It's clear that there isn't a more dominant platform than the PS2 in the last decade, as a result comparing PS2 -> PS3 and expecting things to just work out and using that as your premise that things are less than satisfactory is flawed. Could things be better? Always. For your FIFA example... i'd point in part to improvement to a good game, but also the fact that we're not that far removed from a World Cup either.
    Yes, the PS2 had a large volume of sales, but don't discount hardware replacement and late arrivals to the scene either. In terms of North American actual installed userbases, the number was a good bit smaller than 50 million during the boom years of Madden (and if you try to bring in Japanese and European hardware totals I'll ask you to go find more than 10,000 people total playing Madden in those countries).

    FIFA is just one example of great sales growth due to quality. You can also look at NHL for an example. NBA 2K also saw good growth overall, but not as dramatic as NHL or FIFA.


    Because there is no accurate comparison, but there were almost a million PS2 sales in 2009. Those sales aren't being replaced as quickly as that platform died, this is one reason there are 'losses' for Madden as a title.
    Again, Madden started off very quickly and was actually above last years pace even including the PS2 and as the game has spent time on the shelf and it is now alarmingly behind last year's pace. Of course, this is a trend that has to hold for it to become a problem since November and December are much bigger months for Madden than October is historically. However, you can't have your cake and eat it too (in reference to your newest post). If you want to use Madden's strong sales out of the gate this year to support your thesis, then you have to dump the PS2 argument from the equation, although it has to be dumped anyways due to simple mathematics.

    Without knowing how much the PS2 sales make up for the lag in sales the figure is 100% meaningless.
    Considering they made up around 10% of last year's total sales on all platforms and so far about 6% of this year's sales, I'd have to say they can't mathematically be responsible for all of an 18% drop...but definitely a piece


    Percentages dont work like that, and please point out where the numbers are wrong by the way... at a glance it looks like those are year end figures, or do you think that nothing was sold from the end of the year and the 9 months following it prior to the next Madden's release?
    As total volume of sales, over 90% of Madden's sales occur from August to December, so anything from late December onwards is perfectly reasonable if you want to reference it, just as an FYI to anyone digging for sales data -- you can just use NPD though since that's what they all reference
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    • Dazraz
      Pro
      • Mar 2009
      • 794

      #137
      Madden 11 doesn't do many things badly. It's just that it doesn't do one single thing great.

      With each generation of consoles we get the same old routine. An awful stripped down first release followed by subsequent versions receiving upgrades that have often been seen on earlier console releases.

      Never has the Madden series been ground breaking. Look what 2K have done with the NBA franchise & Sony likewise with their MLB game. EA have never come close to either of those games, not just with Madden, but any of their titles.

      The sad result in this fall in sales is that the response from the EA Boardroom God's will be a negative one. We won't see the required big push from EA to take the franchise where it needs to go. Instead they will just tighten the purse strings further & release another game with some fancy slogans but little change.

      We are unlikely to see a jaw dropping NFL game unless EA lose the exclusivity of the license. 2K are surely waiting in the wings to get the rights & they have already proven what they are capable of doing in this genre.

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      • PVarck31
        Moderator
        • Jan 2003
        • 16869

        #138
        Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

        Originally posted by mestevo
        This is probably the furthest from the truth. Madden sales are probably close to flat if anything on the current consoles, combined with DLC and whatnot they are almost certainly getting more per purchased copy than ever before.

        Meanwhile there were reports like these that were conveniently skipped over...

        http://news.softpedia.com/news/NPD-S...t-155922.shtml

        http://gamertvnetwork.com/index.php/...t/article/1135





        Relative to other games in the lame new NPD reports Madden is where it was expected, but don't let that get in the way of pointing out the 1 liner of negativity out of context with no real data so it can actually be understood from this month's NPD.

        People will see the flashy headline and assume the above though, that's for sure. Criticize people for using vgchartz, but then putting stuff like this out there, in addition to linking to the pretty much debunked previous article, what's that about credibility?
        I don't see how this is just a flashy headline. This is a real sales trend. It has to be given attention. When a cash cow is down in sales its newsworthy.

        As far as questioning Chris' credibility, you are bordering on being out of line. He didn't skip over anything. He mentions that Madden had strong sales in August.

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        • Amoo316
          MVP
          • Mar 2010
          • 3609

          #139
          Originally posted by mestevo
          This is probably the furthest from the truth. Madden sales are probably close to flat if anything on the current consoles, combined with DLC and whatnot they are almost certainly getting more per purchased copy than ever before.

          Meanwhile there were reports like these that were conveniently skipped over...

          http://news.softpedia.com/news/NPD-S...t-155922.shtml

          http://gamertvnetwork.com/index.php/...t/article/1135





          Relative to other games in the lame new NPD reports Madden is where it was expected, but don't let that get in the way of pointing out the 1 liner of negativity out of context with no real data so it can actually be understood from this month's NPD.

          People will see the flashy headline and assume the above though, that's for sure. Criticize people for using vgchartz, but then putting stuff like this out there, in addition to linking to the pretty much debunked previous article, what's that about credibility?
          I know you're doing your best to feverishly defend your position here but the reality of the situation is that nobody really cares what the numbers say. We are all sitting here saying we don't like the direction of the franchise and have stopped buying it or traded it early with no future intent to buy. If you're too dense to realize that the impressions in this thread are more important than any of the numbers presented then maybe you need to find a job in marketing if you don't already have one.
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          • grunt
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            • Jul 2002
            • 9527

            #140
            Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

            Originally posted by mestevo
            This is probably the furthest from the truth. Madden sales are probably close to flat if anything on the current consoles, combined with DLC and whatnot they are almost certainly getting more per purchased copy than ever before.

            Meanwhile there were reports like these that were conveniently skipped over...

            http://news.softpedia.com/news/NPD-S...t-155922.shtml

            http://gamertvnetwork.com/index.php/...t/article/1135





            Relative to other games in the lame new NPD reports Madden is where it was expected, but don't let that get in the way of pointing out the 1 liner of negativity out of context with no real data so it can actually be understood from this month's NPD.

            People will see the flashy headline and assume the above though, that's for sure. Criticize people for using vgchartz, but then putting stuff like this out there, in addition to linking to the pretty much debunked previous article, what's that about credibility?
            If the sales of Madden are flat? Flat was last generation or year to year? If Madden is flat from last gen then the ultra expensive NFL license would significantly eat into their bottom line. If Madden sales are flat year to year then there a concern from flat to decline while Call of Duty is breaking records all over the place and is in better position to have a strong Christmas season without reducing their price.

            Do you have the numbers for Madden DLC?

            Madden sales are strong in August..wow..who would have guessed.

            Did you disagree with the rest of my post? I didn't say Madden is dead but is dying? The sales are flat or are sales flatlining.
            Last edited by grunt; 11-18-2010, 07:35 AM.

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            • PikeJR23
              Rookie
              • Jul 2006
              • 96

              #141
              Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

              Quick and simple solution: Hire the ppl who worked on NFL 2k5...it may take two years for them to completely change the game to something that resembles sim football but I would prefer that over their current direction. All they have to do is look at the success of NBA 2k11.

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              • Rambo1986
                Banned
                • Sep 2010
                • 167

                #142
                Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                this is good news for me, since i am boycotting Madden.

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                • JBH3
                  Marvel's Finest
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 13506

                  #143
                  Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                  Originally posted by ryan36
                  What amazes me is how they could let this stuff go for so long. Add more devs, and get it right.

                  It's OBVIOUS what sports gamers want, and have always wanted...


                  Simple math:
                  (ANY of the best selling titles over history) + (copy them)= success
                  It would seem to me that MLB The Show and NBA2K does not exist to EA. They are on their own program...unfortunately...
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                  • Armor and Sword
                    The Lama
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 21789

                    #144
                    I know I speak for a lot of Madden players here when I say that if they just give us an immersive offline franchise and better presentation we would be doing cartwheels.

                    Believe it or not there are hardcore sports gamers (yeah I am hardcore or I would not be posting here) who are really enjoying Madden 2011 and are just craving for that great franchise mode.

                    We don't have to reinvent the wheel. It feels like Madden and it certainly plays like Madden. It is the best playing Madden since (2005/2007 PS2) offline. Online we all know is a joke. Online sports gaming in general is a joke if your sim/realistic style player. I already learned a long time ago...stay offline with my sports games.

                    I hope 2K does get a chance to make another NFL game then we can get the choice we all want. And all this bashing of Madden can end. I am not saying Madden 2011 is a fantastic game. Far from it when you compare it to the gems like NBA2K11, NHL 2011, NCAA 2011 and MLB The Show, However there are a ton of us who have made it work for better or worse because we love our NFL football, and instead of throwing my arms up about gameplay issues and the lack of a deep immersive franchise mode I have found a way to throughly enjoy the game (great sliders, game plans for the cpu, house rules for franchise, controlling all 32 teams). Yes I want them to hear our crys for that franchise we deserve as being long time hard core buyers of Madden. There was a time they did (2005-2007). But what the heck happened when they went new gen?

                    Sorry so many can't get this game to play the way they want. But it is quite apparent that Madden will never ever meet the high expectations of those who expect a 2K like football game.

                    Madden has never played like 2K and never will. I don't understand the thought process of gamers who feel they have ever strived for that approach! Madden has felt and looked the same since the 2000 version first hit PS2 and it has sold like gangbusters for almost a decade. They were doing something right. Yes the sales have been dropping, but I think that is a combination of a lot of factors.

                    1) Many more gaming choices and the evolution of other sports titles, FPS, platform games, Wii etc.

                    2) The aging core buying base of Madden fans and hard core sports gamers in general (guys grow up and stop playing video games or play very little). We are dinosaurs everyone. Do you really think the youth of today would keep paper stats? Play Strato matic? The only kids that will are mine and those that pass that sports gaming history to their kids. There are not many of us around anymore.

                    3) The game has not changed enough for a segment (fair enough I agree it has seen little baby steps of improvement).


                    So as far the gameplay issue which is the hot topic on this thread......it is what it is...it has always been like this...so what do you expect? It is not really changing they way you want it to. I happen to think the game plays better than it ever has. It took them 5 years (yes 5 years is a long time) but they finally got the running game feeling really good and I enjoy that aspect of the game a ton. They finally got the true pocket forming for the QB. They made a lot of those improvements...finally. Stuff that was already in another NFL game we know about.

                    The part that has a lot of Madden fans upset (me included) is the step back it has taken in it's franchise mode on the new gen.

                    Fix that aspect and the complanits and cries will drop 10 fold.
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                    • RoyalBoyle78
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                      • May 2003
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                      #145
                      Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                      what about the gamers like me that sold Madden, do they have record on returns or trade in's. I'm that number would be huge.
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                      • TreFacTor
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                        • Oct 2009
                        • 1138

                        #146
                        Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                        My main issue with Ea catering to the more casual fan is that in MY experience, the casual Madden player doesn't buy the game. The fan faithful are the ones at the midnight releases, the ones who invest hours labing to get their game up to speed (more recently to combat or counter glitches and bugs), invest hours into making slider sets that make the game bearable in the least. The casual madden player comes over once every other month to the guys house who he knows bought the game.

                        My sons are the perfect example of the casual madden player. While we have 3 360's, mine is the only console in the house with a copy of the game (the exception being m11). My sons don't want the game. When I got M10, my sons opted for Guitar Hero and some other junk (yes we do buy multiple copies of the same game occasionally because their not getting their hands on my discs ). But even though they can play the game anytime... they prefer other A.D.D. type games. They may spend maybe an hour at the most on any one title while I would play madden for an entire saturday or sunday.

                        EA is expecting to get the quick buck and the hardcore suffers (although maybe masochistically) in the end.
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                        • Armor and Sword
                          The Lama
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 21789

                          #147
                          Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                          Originally posted by TreFacTor
                          My main issue with Ea catering to the more casual fan is that in MY experience, the casual Madden player doesn't buy the game. The fan faithful are the ones at the midnight releases, the ones who invest hours labing to get their game up to speed (more recently to combat or counter glitches and bugs), invest hours into making slider sets that make the game bearable in the least. The casual madden player comes over once every other month to the guys house who he knows bought the game.

                          My sons are the perfect example of the casual madden player. While we have 3 360's, mine is the only console in the house with a copy of the game (the exception being m11). My sons don't want the game. When I got M10, my sons opted for Guitar Hero and some other junk (yes we do buy multiple copies of the same game occasionally because their not getting their hands on my discs ). But even though they can play the game anytime... they prefer other A.D.D. type games. They may spend maybe an hour at the most on any one title while I would play madden for an entire saturday or sunday.

                          EA is expecting to get the quick buck and the hardcore suffers (although maybe masochistically) in the end.
                          Yep....this is exactly one of my points. We are a dying breed. Most kids today do not sit down for 3-4 hours and dig deep into their sports games. They don't care to do that. Most of the country is becoming ADD it seems.

                          Again this is why my expectations for Madden are so low. I just want what you want. Deep and immersive franchise. The game is very playable offline. It is not garbage like so many bashers love to say. It just needs to give us the feeling we are part of the league and immerse us in that regard.

                          Ian and co know this. They read all this stuff and I think we will get a decent facelift in franchise.

                          If we don't.....I am not buying Madden.

                          This is the first time since 2004 that I bought back to back copies of Madden. And the reason was 2010 was such a breakthrough for the game for me (first next gen version I played) and after playing the demo for 2011 it was quite clear to me how much tighter it played than 2010. Those that claim the defense is gone....baaaaa. Offline it is fine with great sliders and it reflects the NFL today. Teams can pass...in 2010 the passing game was awful. Deep ball? Gone. Screens were an exploit. Madden 2010 had serious flaws in that regard. 2011 they fixed all that and gave us the deep ball again.

                          It's all in how you approach the game. I play with the no switch rule (after getting ton's of feedback on that way of playing) on defense and I do not user catch anymore.

                          Games play much better that way. Yeah...it sucks we have to put handcuffs on ourselves to play a game, but you have different kinds of players.

                          1) Those that want as close a representation of Sunday

                          2) or those who just want to win and bash the cpu (which we can all do if we wanted to every game)

                          I am in category one. So I am gettting great stats, tight games, thrilling combacks. I am getting great variety in 2011. In Madden 2010 it was sorely missing the fun factor.
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                          • ltw0303cavs
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                            #148
                            Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                            Yeah , i mean i watch football way more than basketball, but i bought NBA 2K not Madden. Real simple NBA 2k and the Show have "immersion" Madden does not. Their franchise mode has not changed at all, NFL draft one of the biggest parts of the NFL has no feel to it in Madden. Gameplay is great, they have done a great job with that , but now they have to work on the asthetics and franchise

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                            • Armor and Sword
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                              • Sep 2010
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                              #149
                              Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                              Originally posted by ltw0303cavs
                              Yeah , i mean i watch football way more than basketball, but i bought NBA 2K not Madden. Real simple NBA 2k and the Show have "immersion" Madden does not. Their franchise mode has not changed at all, NFL draft one of the biggest parts of the NFL has no feel to it in Madden. Gameplay is great, they have done a great job with that , but now they have to work on the asthetics and franchise

                              NFL Head Coach 2009 - The draft in that game is like it is on ESPN and NFL Network. It is brilliant. In fact the enitre GM/Coaching mode is fantastic. The drawback on the game is the actual gameplay that plays out on the field...it is pretty barebones and buggy. But take that approach to a franchise mode and slap into Madden and you would have one of the best football games ever.
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                              • ChampN252
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                                • Mar 2009
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                                #150
                                Re: Madden Sales Down 18% Y-o-Y in October

                                I hope someone from EA does read this. It's not all you guy's flaw. Recently the NFL has been going crazy with handing out fines. Every time there is a hard hit in a game, you're wondering if the hitter is going to be penalized/fined. That is turning me away from football. It also seems like they are modifying rules to how they see fit for a certain plays. That's not helping. And for the fact that year after year, we can't get a really good football game has made me find my new love, baseball. Football never was my favorite sports, but the things above made it certain. I can't really get any good advice, but I only play baseball games now, but I'm sure you guys can pull it out. Maybe it's time to find a new cash cow.
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