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Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

But I will say this, I have fun with other driving games more than GT5, hell Toca Racer Driver 2 and 3 are better than GT5. If you'd like to go into specifics.

Why have this debate if you don't want to get into specifics? What is better about those games?

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

With so many racing titles racing for sim status and some doing a hell of a better job. GT5 isn't much more than collecting cars!

Well, except for the racing part in GT5, which is realistic. Is there something in TOCA beyond racing cars? If I remember correctly, you don't even purchase cars in TOCA.

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

You don't have the customization, nor graphic details of Forza, during menu's and photo mode you have nice cars, on the track they drop resolution. Forza looks good in menu, and while driving. Not to mention I can customize to a "T". Forza's tracks are more detailed, complete environments with 3D crowds, building, high rises, etc. GT5 2D HD polygons with interlace buildings to keep progress lights on cars.

Perhaps you should visit the tune shop in GT Mode? Plenty of customization. Not a ton of visual customization, but the cars look good enough already.

As for tracks, could you cite examples? I see little difference between Forza and Gran Turismo's tracks.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, but you speak of 3D crowds. I went to google and searched for a crowd picture, and came upon a forum thread of people talking about Forza's graphics.

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

Burnout Paradise and Shift have better details in their cars, Codemasters Grid and Dirt 2 have better lighting, reflections, and car details than GT5, and I'm talking about while on the track, not while in photo mode.

Burnout:

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Shift:

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GT 5 (Stolen from the photo thread)

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Shift is an excellent looking game, no doubt. But I humbly disagree with the above statements.

Quote: Originally Posted by Behindshadows

As I've stated before release all those beautiful close up images during marketing were misleading to the car details during racing. But against, I guess my disappointment or views can seem biased from the unbiased gamer.

The above images were taken from races. Details aren't disappearing from cars during races and reappearing when you take photos. The cars in GT 5 look phenomenal.

Also, the last statements makes no sense to me.