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  • BleedsBlack&Gold
    Rookie
    • Aug 2009
    • 34

    #1

    -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

    NEW FOR 2013 SEASON


    I was one game away from throwing the game (NHL 11) out the window. Then I started from a different perspective, and tried to learn what each slider actually does. This is where I am. I really think these may be the sliders for yinz that have been having the most trouble, as I was in the same miserable boat until then.

    For all the people unhappy with the game at this point due to crazy AI and whatnot, give these a try. It gave me a whole new game, and I can't be happier at this point. I see games that end 1-0, and games that end 8-5. all depends on the team, and the talent put forth. I'm really amazed. Good teams are a challenge, bad teams, not so much. Although I've seen a few surprises, as well. Seeing equal shot totals, and equal TOA as well. I've been outshot, and even been dominated before. And yet, NONE feel cheap.

    Yes, its Pro skill level but I think it's where it needs to be. It may be too easy for ya, but give it a few games, and you may be surprised with what you see. These aren't a one game try thing. Try them over a period of 3-5 games and see where you are.

    If this manages to help at least one other person, I'll be thrilled. I like to think I've saved someone else's game experience as well.

    Rules
    Skill: Pro
    Period Length: 8 Minutes (your preference)
    Penalties: max
    Post Whistle Rules : authentic
    Penalty Time Scaling: 5
    Fighting: max
    Shot Aim: Your preference. I've seen the argument that using auto evens the playing field with the fact the the AI gets those really cheap goals yinz know about.

    General

    Tuner Set Version: 1.07
    CPU Aid: Hardcore
    Broken Stick Frequency: 2
    Game Speed: 1
    Attribute Effects:3
    Fatigue Effect: 4/4
    Fatigue Recovery:2/2
    Injury Occurrence: 4/4
    Puck Control: 2/0
    Player Acceleration: 2/1


    AI

    AI Learning: 0
    CPU Difficulty Adjustment:0
    CPU Strategy Adjustment: 3
    Human Strategy Adjustment: 3
    CPU Face Off Difficulty: 4
    Fight Difficulty: 4
    CPU penalties: max
    CPU Team Mate Penalties: 5

    Passing

    Pass Assist: 4
    Manual Passing: OFF (just feels muddy when on)
    Pass Speed: 2
    Saucer Pass Speed: 3
    Pass Accuracy: 2/0
    Pass Reception Ease: 0/0 (should be sloppy)
    Pass Interceptions: 6/6 (same reason)


    Shooting

    Shot Accuracy: 2/0
    Shot Power: 3/3
    Slap Shot Accuracy: 1/0
    Slap Shot Power: 4/3
    One-Timer Accuracy: 2/0 (just too good for CPU)


    Checking

    Hitting Assistance: 1
    Aggression: 5/5
    Hitting Power: 2/2
    Stick Lift Effectiveness: 2/2
    Poke Effectiveness: 2/1


    Goalies

    Goalie Passing: 2
    Goalie Cover Puck Frequency: 5
    Goalie Screen Effect: 2/5
    Goalie Reaction Speed: 5/2

    I've seen that the way you play heavily affects the sliders, and how they work. If you shoot a lot, the AI will get more aggressive. If you start hitting a lot, the AI will too. The non-mentioned 'intimidation' factor is there, but it doesn't affect things as much as people seem to think it does. I've also seen, the AI sees every mistake you make, and WILL capitalize on it. Remember smart, defensive hockey. Don't take chances in your own end. It will NEVER end well. Remember, you not only have poke check. You can stick lift, and remember L1/LB, for the stick drag. These are key. Use every control you are given. On offense, remember the LS click button. The 'speed burst/hustle' button. From what I've seen, you won't win without it. The AI uses the hell out of it.
    Last edited by BleedsBlack&Gold; 01-24-2013, 02:58 PM. Reason: NEW FOR 2013: recent changes (1/24) in red
    NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
    NHL: Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators
    MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
    NBA: Umm, no.
    Xbox Gamertag: BleedsBlackGold
  • Steve Danger
    Rookie
    • Jan 2010
    • 121

    #2
    Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

    You learned what all the sliders do, eh? Care to let the rest of us in on this knowledge? Because some of the slider explanations in-game are rather vague or worded strangely.

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    • BleedsBlack&Gold
      Rookie
      • Aug 2009
      • 34

      #3
      Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

      I'm not exactly 100 on exactly what they do, but I'm starting to see patterns in how certain sliders interact with certain things. Realizing now that I may sound like I know more than I do in the orig. post. I just figure patterns, that's all. :-)
      NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
      NHL: Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators
      MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
      NBA: Umm, no.
      Xbox Gamertag: BleedsBlackGold

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      • nuBolt
        Rookie
        • Feb 2005
        • 64

        #4
        Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

        Originally posted by BleedsBlack&Gold
        ...If this manages to help at least one other person, I'll be thrilled. I like to think I've saved someone else's game experience as well ...
        it seems that i'm that person

        I decided yesterday morning to go for a last time to this boards for screening some other slidersets before throwing out this game from my window and hitting again my controller to the ground ...

        found this one and want to thank you! till now I played 7 games. I startet with this sliders my Bolts franchise with a 3-2-2 record. i liked the outcoming of the games very much. I lost against a better team (Flyers) and a mediocre team (Panthers), controlled the weaker teams (Trashers twice and Islanders) and had some tough battles where I finally lost after shootout (Canadiens) and overtime (Stars).
        of course I will use your set for at least 3 to 5 more games to see if I have finally found my sliderguru but till now I have found back my enjoyment for this game - thanks buddy!

        greetings from switzerland
        Last edited by nuBolt; 11-29-2010, 05:10 AM.

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        • bostongahden
          MVP
          • Jan 2010
          • 1403

          #5
          Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

          First of all, THANK YOU! I, too, have been tooling with sliders for 2 months and almost gave up last night on all-star. These are playing fabulous and this is only my first game leading the Leafs 2 -0 after 2 periods and everything feels right. SOG 16 -14 me (Bruins). TOA is slanted towards me but I don't pay much attention to that. Pass Pct 76-72 me. I'll give you the final in a few minutes.
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          • BleedsBlack&Gold
            Rookie
            • Aug 2009
            • 34

            #6
            Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

            More than happy to help! When I found the perfect ones, I felt as if i had to post them, b/c I knew there were others having the same issues that I was having. Love to hear it! I'm experimenting with raising the difficulty slider, but I'm in the middle of the playoffs in my BeaGM, and I'm not sure if there are already boosts in place for that reason. Trying to find that out. I've raised the slider by one though, for now, and it got much more challenging. I saw a cheap goal or two though, so not sure if that will be permanent. Like I said though, may just be that I'm in playoffs. Any more feedback is much appreciated. Always open to new ideas, and any questions you may have. :-)

            EDIT: 73-75% in passing is a little high. if ya want a little more challenge, don't hesitate to throw on manual passing. I just don't b/c I can't really get the hang of the delay involved. (The fact that the pass happens when you LET OFF the trigger, not when pulled. Just can't master that.) ;-) I'd say lower pass acc. for both AI and CPU, but just by one. See where it is, and that may lower your percentage, plus it may help with the TOA always leaning on your side.
            Last edited by BleedsBlack&Gold; 11-29-2010, 10:07 PM.
            NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
            NHL: Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators
            MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
            NBA: Umm, no.
            Xbox Gamertag: BleedsBlackGold

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            • bostongahden
              MVP
              • Jan 2010
              • 1403

              #7
              Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

              OK, a 3-0 SO for Timmy Thomas The SOG were in favor of the cpu 25-22, Pass pct dead even 74-73 cpu (manual passing off was an epiphany) and I had a 1:00+ minute advantage on TOA. What's even more important is the Bruins handled the Leafs like they should. To give you an example of my frustration, I started this same game last night and was down 4-0 after two periods with the Leafs scoring THREE SHG on all-star. I believe you are right by saying this title needs to be played on Pro offline to remove the "tilt" in the higher levels. Plenty of room to grow for increasing cpu difficulty by increasing cpu goalie reaction time, cpu shot and accuracy, and cpu difficulty but for the next handful of games I'm leaving things as is. This is one 40+ veteran sports gamer that just got an early Xmas gift. Well done
              Pitching, defense and 2 out RBIs win a lot of ball games!

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              • bostongahden
                MVP
                • Jan 2010
                • 1403

                #8
                Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                Yeah B&G, be careful of the playoff mode. I usually covet that mode but on all-star I only won one series. I won the cup on Battle for the Cup mode once which was neat but haven't found prolonged enjoyment in that mode. Maybe with these sliders, I will.
                Pitching, defense and 2 out RBIs win a lot of ball games!

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                • anakai
                  Rookie
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 3

                  #9
                  Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                  Thank you thank you thank you. I've tried all sliders on this site that i could find. They were good but a couple of games in my goalie played so bad that he didn't even have any chance in the minors. I never thought i could play on pro again. But i tried your sliders and finally this game is at it best.

                  I play Colorado in my 2 season and have tried your sliders now for 5 games and i lost one game and won 4. Really good games and even games. I have had one goal scored on me that was a really weak one but my goalie the backup goalie is a rookie so what should you expect. Good work really good sliders.

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                  • mzator21
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 121

                    #10
                    Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                    You have also saved the game for me! After the patch, my enjoyment of this game went way down. Now with your sliders, I am enjoying the game again! THANK-YOU!!!!

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                    • bostongahden
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 1403

                      #11
                      Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                      I'm going to wait a handful of games before changing anything B&G but that solution of lower pass acc. might be the ticket down the road. The way I look at it, the pass pct may be high but that creates offense both ways and I'm neck and neck with the cpu so it's fair that way.
                      Pitching, defense and 2 out RBIs win a lot of ball games!

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                      • BleedsBlack&Gold
                        Rookie
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 34

                        #12
                        Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                        Thanks for all the feedback. It's awesome these are helping you guys. I've made a change to the difficulty slider, I've moved it to 3, and I'm working with 4 right now. You may lose a little more often, but it'll keep you from having dominating performances as often, as well.

                        As for the pass acc., I think you're right. B/c the AI is gonna have awesome passing no matter what you adjust, really. Might as well be even with them.
                        NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
                        NHL: Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators
                        MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
                        NBA: Umm, no.
                        Xbox Gamertag: BleedsBlackGold

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                        • FBeaule04
                          MVP
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 1119

                          #13
                          Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                          Since I want to play goalie in BAP but not that good, I can't get it going on AS.

                          I'll take a look at these tonight and play a few games.

                          After a first look without playing, that looks promising! :-)
                          "Ice hockey is a form of disorderly conduct in which the score is kept." - Doug Larson

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                          • BleacherCreature
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 3160

                            #14
                            Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                            I'm considering giving these a go as I too am becoming frustrated with all-star.
                            Everytime I feel I have the game dialed in to my liking something else pops up that I try to fix. This time I think I fixed myself right out of the fun of the game.
                            Just a few questions.....

                            1. What kind of powerplay situations are you guys seeing with these?
                            I remember in the past there were never enough penalties taken by either side on pro.
                            2. Will the CPU pressure you in your own end and in the neutral zone at a realistic rate? With my all-star settings teams are relentless in my zone and once I get into their zone I have no time to set anything up. I either turn the puck over or make one pass and then have the next one intercepted. I found messing with the passing sliders too much makes the CPU pass-happy (with much success I might add).

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                            • BleedsBlack&Gold
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 34

                              #15
                              Re: -BleedsBlacknGold's First & Final Pro level sliders-

                              Originally posted by BleacherCreature

                              1. What kind of powerplay situations are you guys seeing with these?
                              I remember in the past there were never enough penalties taken by either side on pro.
                              2. Will the CPU pressure you in your own end and in the neutral zone at a realistic rate? With my all-star settings teams are relentless in my zone and once I get into their zone I have no time to set anything up. I either turn the puck over or make one pass and then have the next one intercepted. I found messing with the passing sliders too much makes the CPU pass-happy (with much success I might add).

                              It really varies from game to game. I've seen 6 PPs for one team before, I've seen 1 before.

                              As for the pressure, I've seen some amazing AI cycling in my zone, and yet when I can make a clean break into their zone, I can cycle as well. Gotta work for it though. And the AI does see when you start doing things too much.
                              NFL: Pittsburgh Steelers
                              NHL: Pittsburgh Penguins, Nashville Predators
                              MLB: Pittsburgh Pirates
                              NBA: Umm, no.
                              Xbox Gamertag: BleedsBlackGold

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