Tiger Needs Wins for EA Deal to Make Sense

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Needs Wins for EA Deal to Make Sense

@thelwig- if they continue to just have 20 pros or so i will continue to stop buying the game.


they need a pga tour sim. get all 125 returning card players in the game with 20+ courses with course packs available for cheap DLC to just boot the courses off the HDD. Just give me something with no power boost and post shot spin alter. Thats fine if you choose a power swing for you swing but make it way harder to be accurate and make people choose what kind of spin they want BEFORE the shot. Make this game realistic and hard

The reason there are only so many license Pros rendered in the game is due to licensing. There is no PGA TOUR Players Association as there is in the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB, etc. It is much easier to put every player from those associations in the game because the license for the Players Association in each game is easier to get. Getting every PGA TOUR Pro or the top 125 would be extremely problematic and far more costly than traditional players licenses for EA as they would have to negotiate the rights to each player individually to include their likeness in the game. The PGA TOUR license allows EA to use their "names" in the game, but not their likenesses.

As far as not having post shot spin and boost in the game and a challenging format, that is already in the game in the form of TOUR Pro mode. Playing TW11 in TOUR Pro is challenging with thew DS3 or MS wireless controllers, but the real challenge is playing with the PS3 Move....

[DivotMaker]

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You didnt understand what my point. Have the entire Tour...but allow the user to pick among 20 pros or so to start a season. Give the user an option to not have to create a dumb create a golfer. No other EA game forces you to play with a fake player.

And no other EA Sports game represents and "individual" sport. The rest of their game are TEAM sports. Big difference. A great many users enjoy creating their own golfer and building that Golfer up. However, I do not disagree with you that it would be good to be able to play in a season with the Pros if you so desired.

[thelwig14]

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And no other EA Sports game represents and "individual" sport. The rest of their game are TEAM sports. Big difference. A great many users enjoy creating their own golfer and building that Golfer up. However, I do not disagree with you that it would be good to be able to play in a season with the Pros if you so desired.

Not true...Fight Night allows you to start a career with Lennox or Tyson or whatnot.

It is absolutely unacceptable that I can't start a Tour with Tiger or Phil or Sergio or whoever is available...even if it is just 5 golfers.

I don't want to quarterback the Cowboys and I don't want to play a Tour as myself either.

Until they fix this, I will never buy another Tiger game.

[rangerrick012]

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Not true...Fight Night allows you to start a career with Lennox or Tyson or whatnot.

It is absolutely unacceptable that I can't start a Tour with Tiger or Phil or Sergio or whoever is available...even if it is just 5 golfers.

I don't want to quarterback the Cowboys and I don't want to play a Tour as myself either.

Until they fix this, I will never buy another Tiger game.

The more options the better. I don't understand why the option isn't at least there for those who want to play a tour season with a pro and don't want to start a career w/ a created player.

Career mode obviously needs to be deeper. Adding the Nationwide Tour and Q School would be great. I just seems like EA never wants to go the extra mile on certain things. They added Ryder Cup this year, which was a great step, but then there aren't even enough pros to make a legitimate realistic Ryder Cup competition.

I have the same gripe w/ tennis games, not enough real pros and not deep enough career modes.

On Topic: Tiger is and will always be the most recognizable face on the PGA Tour by a sizable margin. If EA was smart they would lock him up for life so that even after he retires his name is on the game ala Madden, even if there's another player on the cover.

[DivotMaker]

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Not true...Fight Night allows you to start a career with Lennox or Tyson or whatnot.

It is absolutely unacceptable that I can't start a Tour with Tiger or Phil or Sergio or whoever is available...even if it is just 5 golfers.

I don't want to quarterback the Cowboys and I don't want to play a Tour as myself either.

Until they fix this, I will never buy another Tiger game.

"Fight Night"...okay, I missed one. And lets not kid ourselves here....."Fight Night" is NOT a major EA Sports game with licenses like the team sports and Golf.

Again, not disagreeing with you in case you hadn't noticed, except for never playing another TW game because of it....you are missing out on some really good videogame Golf, but whatever.

[thelwig14]

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"Fight Night"...okay, I missed one. And lets not kid ourselves here....."Fight Night" is NOT a major EA Sports game with licenses like the team sports and Golf.

Again, not disagreeing with you in case you hadn't noticed, except for never playing another TW game because of it....you are missing out on some really good videogame Golf, but whatever.

Fight Night is a huge seller for EA even with the button debacle that cost EA quite a few sales.

It is all about principle...I can't support a game that doesn't allow such a simple, obvious option. It is braindead on EA's part. And considering Tiger was a massive sales disappointment this year, hopefully they will stop being comfortable.

[rangerrick012]

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Fight Night is a huge seller for EA even with the button debacle that cost EA quite a few sales.

It is all about principle...I can't support a game that doesn't allow such a simple, obvious option. It is braindead on EA's part. And considering Tiger was a massive sales disappointment this year, hopefully they will stop being comfortable.

The problem with that is that EA may (mistakenly IMO) interpret the lower sales as having everything to do w/ Tiger's on and off course woes, and nothing to do w/ the perceived quality of the product. While Tiger's woes may have something to do w/ lower sales, I do think the perceived quality of the game has something to do with it as well. Tiger needs a real 'career' mode. That much is obvious.

[DivotMaker]

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Fight Night is a huge seller for EA even with the button debacle that cost EA quite a few sales.

The sales numbers do not seem to support this from what I have seen....irregardless, the Tiger series has not had the option to use a Pro in Career mode for a number of years and there is little to no outcry for this other than this thread and isolated comments from you and a handful of other users. If there is little feedback from the community or focus groups to include such functionality, EA is not going to spend much time worrying about it.

[stcloudgopher]

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So, until then, it's all Tiger all the time. And for EA, they'll ride that pony in to the sunset.

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"From my vantage point, that looks safely in the fairway."

"Looks like he hit the tree, Jim," is still my favorite -- maybe my favorite line from any game. Sorry kids, sometimes it's fun to be "old" and remember the "day." Oh, and youngsters, that's from World Class Leader Boards. There was no "name" involved, I don't think. But, man, was it fun!

[Money99]

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Another interesting fun fact about Tigers marketing power.

I'm reading a book right not about Alex Ovechkin and I'm at a part where he signed with agent powerhouse IMG.
They use something called a DBI or Davie Brown Index.

Essentially, the DBI is a collection of polls, or survey's, from 1.5M people on how they view or feel about celebrities.
This index value is then calculated to give marketers an idea of how recognizable or powerful someone's marketing value is.
It's very rare for an athlete to be in the top 10 as those spots are usually taken up by singers or actors. Oprah, for example is at, or near the top.

In the book it's revealed through IMG that Tiger Woods was #9 on this list prior to last years incident. His 'brand' was worth millions because not only was his face and name recognizable to the entire planet, but people had a very favorable view of Tiger. They liked him.

Since the incident? He's now 2250. To put that in perspective, he's on the same level as Pamela Anderson and Pauly Shore for marketability. That's how far his stock has fallen.
IMG did some sample testing and found that people felt Tiger lied to them. He built this wholesome image of being a good person, a great family man as well as a great golfer. But all of that came tumbling down to the point that Encino's man's best friend was as marketable as the world's former #1 golfer.

EA and Nike are sticking with him only because they're scared to leave him only to see Tiger return to being a dominant force. But if Tiger doesn't win a Major next season, he's finished.

[thelwig14]

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The problem with that is that EA may (mistakenly IMO) interpret the lower sales as having everything to do w/ Tiger's on and off course woes, and nothing to do w/ the perceived quality of the product. While Tiger's woes may have something to do w/ lower sales, I do think the perceived quality of the game has something to do with it as well. Tiger needs a real 'career' mode. That much is obvious.

There is no question that his off the course antics played a part...but like you..it also has something to do with such a stale product. To the average consumer, it is the same game every year but they added the Ryder Cup this past one.

[thelwig14]

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The sales numbers do not seem to support this from what I have seen....irregardless, the Tiger series has not had the option to use a Pro in Career mode for a number of years and there is little to no outcry for this other than this thread and isolated comments from you and a handful of other users. If there is little feedback from the community or focus groups to include such functionality, EA is not going to spend much time worrying about it.

FN3 sold 4 times as much as TW10 and FN4 sold about 2x (the drop can largely be attributed to the button debacle).

It may not be mentioned in focus groups...but if a company relies heavily on focus groups and not common sense evaluation of their product, then that is bad business. I know many people who no longer buy Tiger because it is stale and has a very poor career mode. And these people don't post on message boards.

It isn't a tough concept. You are asking consumers to buy Tiger Woods golf but they can't even use him in a career mode. It is baffling.

[DivotMaker]

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There is no question that his off the course antics played a part...but like you..it also has something to do with such a stale product. To the average consumer, it is the same game every year but they added the Ryder Cup this past one.

They added quite a bit more than that to TW11, but since you can't be bothered to play the game, I won't bore you with the details....

[DivotMaker]

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FN3 sold 4 times as much as TW10 and FN4 sold about 2x (the drop can largely be attributed to the button debacle).

I prefer to see links to actual sales numbers instead of taking your word for it. Have to say I find that hard to believe since TW10 was mentioned last year as the #15 best selling videogame of that time period and no I do not have a link to the article but it was on Gamespot, IGN or one of the other online publications and their numbers came from NPD.

It may not be mentioned in focus groups...but if a company relies heavily on focus groups and not common sense evaluation of their product, then that is bad business. I know many people who no longer buy Tiger because it is stale and has a very poor career mode. And these people don't post on message boards.

Again, I find one or two posts YEARLY from people like you criticizing EA for not adding TOUR Pros for career mode. Out of literally THOUSANDS of posts. Lets not try to say that there is a large contingent of users sitting on the sideline because of this one omission....

It isn't a tough concept. You are asking consumers to buy Tiger Woods golf but they can't even use him in a career mode. It is baffling.

Doesn't "baffle" me at all, but I will agree that it makes sense to give the user the CHOICE when playing Career Mode....

[JayhawkerStL]

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Not true...Fight Night allows you to start a career with Lennox or Tyson or whatnot.

It is absolutely unacceptable that I can't start a Tour with Tiger or Phil or Sergio or whoever is available...even if it is just 5 golfers.

I think it is silly that EA does not allow for this. But calling it unacceptable is kind of silly. TW 11 added so much to the game, and it really became great this year. While I would have utilized a pro career, I still spent loads of time with this game soaking up everything that was added.

Playing on Tour Pro with True Aim is better tan any golf game that has come before it. you missed out on a great game.