Madden NFL Designers Podcast #3

[capa]

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The fact that in 2010-2011 this software title does not support in game saves is ludicrous. The community has been asking for this literally for years. If the design and programming team can't figure this out, or come up with a solution that is not considered too hard, well...I think they should be looking at the skill set of those teams.

Previous posters are right...stop dwelling on the negative and if you choose to communicate with the masses start telling us what you can and will do that is a value-add to the game from the community point of view. Otherwise, what's the point?

C

[roadman]

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I personally think the podcasts are an interesting way to interact with the community. However, I believe that you should stop doing the podcasts until you are allowed to talk about certain things. Last year I followed your live chats, but I would much rather have had a 10-15 minute podcast instead of those chats.

Also when I listen to the current podcasts they always start out with "this guy, x, is so talent and cool, just like everybody else on this team... we have so many czar's and guru's you can get two for a dollar... BUT there are too many barriers and other limitations that doesn't allow us to make the game that both we and the community want." How can you not expect the OS community to turn that into a negative thing?

Did you listen to the first 2 podcast? Did you get any more info from the 3rd vs the 1st 2?

If you don't like the format of the podcast, as TLC mentioned, you don't need to listen to them.

Also, I don't think we are the only community they listen to. And they don't just listen to the internet community, either. If MUT continues to be a big hit, they will enhance MUT over the year.

[LiquorLogic]

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The fact that in 2010-2011 this software title does not support in game saves is ludicrous. The community has been asking for this literally for years. If the design and programming team can't figure this out, or come up with a solution that is not considered too hard, well...I think they should be looking at the skill set of those teams.

Previous posters are right...stop dwelling on the negative and if you choose to communicate with the masses start telling us what you can and will do that is a value-add to the game from the community point of view. Otherwise, what's the point?

C

Put yourself in their shoes. If there were a bunch of positive things for them to talk about, don't you think they would ?

Maybe we need to face the fact that, for some reason, there's not much that can be done. Ian obviously cares, or he wouldn't be on here, but I think the budget ( or lack there of) is holding them back. All the money that could be allocated towards development is going towards the license.

[guaps]

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Did you listen to the first 2 podcast? Did you get any more info from the 3rd vs the 1st 2?

If you don't like the format of the podcast, as TLC mentioned, you don't need to listen to them.

Also, I don't think we are the only community they listen to. And they don't just listen to the internet community, either. If MUT continues to be a big hit, they will enhance MUT over the year.

Roadman, I'm sorry but I simply don't understand your post.

First, I state that I find the podcasts an interesting (aka good) way to communicate with the community, but that I believe that they probably should save them for when they are allowed to talk more in details. I did not attack the format of the podcasts nor comment on level of information in the 3rd versus the earlier podcasts as you suggest.

Second, I reply to Ian's post with a question on how they could not expect that the OS community would create a negative spin, when they start all podcasts by stating how talented they are and ends them by explaining that there are limitations that prevents them from creating the game they envision. Any business that simultaneously believe that they are the best while at the same time excuse their work are bound to be the subject of some negative criticism.

Also I never mention that OS as an exclusive community for the podcasts nor do I mention MUT.

I respect that you defend EA and Madden on this forum, but please don't twist my post to make it fit your personal agenda.

[LiquorLogic]

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And that there is the rub.

Like Blue n Gold, I'm wondering why the frustration levels are high in December for a game that comes out next August with podcast that give you little to no information.

Because we go through this song and dance every year.

[tlc12576]

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I know people have frustration, I do too but there is a time and place for everything. Regarding Madden 12, December is not the time and THIS thread, is not the place, IMO.

I'm all for some EA, 2k or whatever bashing when ACTUAL news about a game comes out but not when the devs are just shooting da sh*t in general. That's all this is, they are just letting us in on the "sausage making" process. People should take it or leave it for what it is.

If some people could get past their pinned up frustration and read what Ian posted, it is actually some good stuff. Some were thinking this podcast was laying the ground work for a soft letdown for Madden 12 improvements and that's understandable given the what has happened in the past. However, Ian posted that was not the case and that he could not go into anymore detail right now. He could of just left that out there hanging and let us think whatever we want but he addressed it.

I feel all you "Charlie Browns" that are wondering if "Lucy" is going to move the football again but that ain't till the spring.

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Right now, we all just hanging out like the "Peanuts". LOL

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[khaliib]

Did you listen to the first 2 podcast? Did you get any more info from the 3rd vs the 1st 2?

If you don't like the format of the podcast, as TLC mentioned, you don't need to listen to them.

Also, I don't think we are the only community they listen to. And they don't just listen to the internet community, either. If MUT continues to be a big hit, they will enhance MUT over the year.

Roadman,


Don't take this personal, but this is what turns threads into pages of "Garbage".

However a gamer chooses to express themselves about the positives/negatives they perceive this game to have to a Dev, it should be respected without the need of another "Gamer's" negative injection.

What value does such injections add to the discussion/thread?

Within communication, a Negative + Negative does not equal a Positve.

Again, I hope you don't take it the wrong way.


(My wife just reminded me, that I'm doing the very same thing!!!)

[green94]

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Some responses / questions...
- "And as far as that "cant make drastic improvements in one cycle" BS....". Where did we ever say that? I 100% believe that drastic improvements can be made in one cycle.

Good to hear, I hope you guys trump 2k11. Crazy thing is, everyone on this board wants you to succeed. I've never seen a group of more dedicated fans to a sports video game ever.

If you guys were to deliver a "perfect" balance between gameplay and presentation, you would be worshiped around here. Obviously "perfect" is subject to everyones interpretation... so good luck!

[tlc12576]

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Roadman,


Don't take this personal, but this is what turns threads into pages of "Garbage".

However a gamer chooses to express themselves about the positives/negatives they perceive this game to have to a Dev, it should be respected without the need of another "Gamer's" negative injection.

What value does such injections add to the discussion/thread?

Within communication, a Negative + Negative does not equal a Positve.

Again, I hope you don't take it the wrong way.


(My wife just reminded me, that I'm doing the very same thing!!!)

Ah yes, the wife. The "Ol Ball-n-chain that restrains you but also keeps you grounded. LOL

[roadman]

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Roadman,


Don't take this personal, but this is what turns threads into pages of "Garbage".

However a gamer chooses to express themselves about the positives/negatives they perceive this game to have to a Dev, it should be respected without the need of another "Gamer's" negative injection.

What value does such injections add to the discussion/thread?

Within communication, a Negative + Negative does not equal a Positve.

Again, I hope you don't take it the wrong way.


(My wife just reminded me, that I'm doing the very same thing!!!)

No offense taken. I don't write my thoughts with negative feelings, and I can't help it if it's perceived on the other end as negative.(Please, don't take that personal)

I say what I think. And I think it's too early to be criticizing 12 without any concrete information.

Isn't this what this thread is about? Comments on podcast #3?

And now my wife is calling me to get out and help decorate the tree. Ah, the real life.

[Boling4Humor]

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Its DECEMBER people. Give it time and things will develop into something amazing come August. Just because they're talking about how the perfect franchise will be in the next few years does not mean they are going to half *** this years. They said they're going to mess with the franchise and i'm confident this is what they intend to do. So please if you really want to get the perfect madden game thats full of detailed information right now....then just go write a letter to Santa and let Ian and the guys do their job.

[Phixius]

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Its DECEMBER people. Give it time and things will develop into something amazing come August. Just because they're talking about how the perfect franchise will be in the next few years does not mean they are going to half *** this years. They said they're going to mess with the franchise and i'm confident this is what they intend to do. So please if you really want to get the perfect madden game thats full of detailed information right now....then just go write a letter to Santa and let Ian and the guys do their job.

Next, "it's APRIL people", and then "it's just a DEMO people", then it's "use SLIDERS people", then "maybe NEXT YEAR".

[Boling4Humor]

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Next, "it's APRIL people", and then "it's just a DEMO people", then it's "use SLIDERS people", then "maybe NEXT YEAR".

Maybe try to have faith. As long as you assume the same results your only creating problems for yourselves. Just bite your toungue and PASS THE JUDGEMENT on the product AFTER it's been published. Not when it's December. That's just selfish and ridiculous.

[lofeazy]

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Next, "it's APRIL people", and then "it's just a DEMO people", then it's "use SLIDERS people", then "maybe NEXT YEAR".

Because we go through this song and dance every year.

This is why so many fans of this game gets angery.Every year its the same song no matter what time of year it is.(We don't have a enough time,The suits don't want sim.)Trust me people are going to complain when the game comes out.


This what happens when you only have 1 NFL GAME.

[Armor and Sword]

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Some responses / questions...

- WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC FEATURES FOR MADDEN 12. You hopefully know that by now. Quotes like "Taken together, however, I see them very carefully attempting to set expectations." are just wrong. IT IS DECEMBER, WE HAVE TO BE CRYPTIC. If you are the type of guy that is going to get fired up about not enough talk about specific improvements, then I suggest you don't listen to the podcast.

- Nowhere in the podcast are we saying it's going to take multiple years for you to see any improvements, or that 12 won't have any. See point above, and I can say we have been working on Franchise improvements for some time now.

- "And as far as that "cant make drastic improvements in one cycle" BS....". Where did we ever say that? I 100% believe that drastic improvements can be made in one cycle.

- "I guess after these podcasts, it just looks to me like Madden isn't gonna be a game I'm gonna ever like on these consoles." Does that statement seem a little ridiculous to anyone else? After a podcast that discusses ZERO REAL FEATURE ADDITIONS you aren't going to like Madden, EVER? I always hoped that this forum would eventually be a great place for feedback and ways to improve the game, not the sensationalist extremism that it can quickly descends into.

- There is nothing more frustrating to me than people not actually listening to the podcast but jumping on the opinion bandwagon of another. Please guys, we are spending the time planning and recording these SPECIFICALLY for the Madden community...you could at least give us the respect of listening to it and forming an opinion of your own.

Maybe we should just stop doing these for a while if too many people aren't able to cope with the lack of real information and turn that into a negative thing. That's not what we want out of these at all...we just want to give people a behind the scenes look at the development process and decision making. Thoughts?

Keep them going Ian.

It is appreciated. I don't get the seething nasty posts. I just don't. I havebeen playing Madden since the first genesis cart. The game has a core feel and style and I know I speak for most Madden fans that Madden 2011 may well be the best on field playing Madden yet. What the main bone of contention and it is well documented is the step back the offline franchise mode has taken since the jump to the new gen consoles. We would love the 2005-2007 franchise mode back. That would make so many of us very happy as long time hard core fans/buyers of the game.


Madden 2010 was a huge jump for me (and my first next gen Madden) and I had hoped for more in 2011 on the presentation and franchise side. Well you guys really made the running game the best it has ever been and the catch animations are great and the game plays very good. It's the franchsie features and presentation that needs the love for me and I think I speak for most real fans of the game. Not the guys who say the engine stinks and tear it down. But the players who love the Madden way of playing video game football.

Just blow off those nasty posts....it is a loud minority around here. And yes I am noob around but I have been reading stuff here for years and have been playing sports video games my entire life (40 years old).

I know I appreciate the communication and the fact that the designers of the game take the time to interact with the community.