Fight Night Champion Quick Clip #2: Bareknuckle Fighting

[Hova57]

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Apparently their is a movie called Fight Night I didn't watch it last night, but I believe this is where the story mode is taken from reading the previews for the movie.

[Vast]

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I can see why dedicated fight fans are not going to be happy. But I have to admit, the gameplay just works for me on a videogame level. This does look pretty much like FN 3.75, as the last game felt like FN 3.5.

There does not seem to be a new engine or even a new approach to the boxers' movement. I really don't know how well the games sell, but they usually get my money. But then, I rarely watch much boxing on TV.

There was a time during the 90's in which I watched a decent amount, and had a couple of friends that bought every pay-per-view as long as the rest of us brought beer and food. Those were some good times. But not good enough to draw me back when I moved.

I suspect I am like a lot of EA's customers, in that I like having a boxing game to pull out every now and then. for that, it does the trick. But I am not looking for a sim, at all.

then whats the point of buying a new game? Do you have 60$ burning a whole in your pocket, and can't figure anything else to spend it on??

You dont want a sim. cool, then go buy ready to rumble boxing, or facebreaker, or fight night 1-4. All we have are arcade boxing games.. All of them! none of them are sim.
Can we get some love for once!?

[TheCreep]

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Man FN4 is as sim as you want it to be. Just implement specific restrictions and use a little bit of imagination is all.

[Vast]

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Man FN4 is as sim as you want it to be. Just implement specific restrictions and use a little bit of imagination is all.

No. It is not sim at all. I was in denial at first and thought it was.

1st. you can't knock someone out until you drop them a few times.
2nd. punches have very little impact(power).
3rd. footwork is terrible
4th. counter window is unrealistic
5th. bell rung state is awful and feels like you're walking in quicksand.
6th. there are around like 3 fighter styles for the computer A.I. (1***sh, 2***n, and 3.counter everything).

I think the engine has great potential. The new game adds what should've been in FN4.
1 punch KO's(1st UFC game had this). Signature style(NBA2k7 had tons of it). Individual punch ratings(Madden 92 had player ratings. 16 years later we still didn't have a boxing game that had in depth player ratings!)

Thats about it. Another barely improved Legacy mode, and a story mode.

[JayhawkerStL]

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then whats the point of buying a new game? Do you have 60$ burning a whole in your pocket, and can't figure anything else to spend it on??

You dont want a sim. cool, then go buy ready to rumble boxing, or facebreaker, or fight night 1-4. All we have are arcade boxing games.. All of them! none of them are sim.
Can we get some love for once!?

Well, I really didn't like Rumble or Facebreaker, at all. I like an arcade boxer that pretends to be sim. For the masses, Fight Night does a great job of that. FN 4 was better than 3, If this version is even better, why would be a waste of my money to buy it?

And when I say better, I mean in the terms of what I want in a game. EA is trying to create a game for a different market than the sim guys here represent. What the sim guys want is either beyond EA's capabilities to program, beyond their allocated budget based on the sales they could generate, or not nearly as fun as their larger market would want it to be.

I think the criticisms of Fight Night have been accurate. I think the expectations are not realistic. Maybe I'm just too old, and see this generation sports games as beyond anything I would have dreamed of back when I got an Atari for Christmas. And for boxing in particular, fight Night has been insanely awesome, when I consider what passed for boxing on SNES and the Dreamcast.

So, I hope it continues to improve, but I have a hard time dinging them for what they have accomplished so far.

[Vast]

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Well, I really didn't like Rumble or Facebreaker, at all. I like an arcade boxer that pretends to be sim. For the masses, Fight Night does a great job of that. FN 4 was better than 3, If this version is even better, why would be a waste of my money to buy it?

And when I say better, I mean in the terms of what I want in a game. EA is trying to create a game for a different market than the sim guys here represent. What the sim guys want is either beyond EA's capabilities to program, beyond their allocated budget based on the sales they could generate, or not nearly as fun as their larger market would want it to be.
I think the criticisms of Fight Night have been accurate. I think the expectations are not realistic. Maybe I'm just too old, and see this generation sports games as beyond anything I would have dreamed of back when I got an Atari for Christmas. And for boxing in particular, fight Night has been insanely awesome, when I consider what passed for boxing on SNES and the Dreamcast.

So, I hope it continues to improve, but I have a hard time dinging them for what they have accomplished so far.

Have you played NBA 2k11?? That game has set the bar. The most realistic basketball game ever also happens to be the best selling. Look at that! Who woudl've thought? You can also customize it to be arcade as well.

I hate to tell you but Realistic equals fun. Arcade also equals fun. Why not have both?
Why ignore your most vocal group of supporters??

The NBA2k11 team listened to its fans, and thats why its a huge success. EA would also be out of the football business if it didn't monopolize NFL Football. 2k football would've wiped Madden out of business the same way Elite is down the tubes in basketball.

VC listens to their fans, EA does a pretty poor job of it. imo

[JayhawkerStL]

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VC listens to their fans, EA does a pretty poor job of it. imo

As a fan of baseball and hockey games, I can tell you that trying to call out one developer/publisher over another is kind of pointless.

I can also tell you that there is a ton of completely unrealistic gameplay in NBA 2K11. But they focused on what they could do, and what would drive sales.

I think Tiger woods dramatically improved gameplay for guys that want a more sim experience, but saw a massive drop in sales, as well as a ton of negativity over it.

I will agree with you that EA's titles have almost universally had below average presentation. Luckily, 2K is so good at this, they produced Don King Boxing. Yay!

I don't think the fans are wrong to want more. But it's not like NFL 2K, where a better game just didn't get the love. No one is really making the game you want. You can blame EA for not listening to you. But you might as well blame every other developer and publisher that has no interest in making the game you want either.

[Jukeman]

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Apparently their is a movie called Fight Night I didn't watch it last night, but I believe this is where the story mode is taken from reading the previews for the movie.

You can look at any "fight" movie script and believe that is where EA got the story from...

I mean look at those Undisputed movies for example....

Like I said in another thread, The Story (from watching the previews and trailers) looks no different from a 8:00 movie on BET...

And it doesnt even have to be about boxing, its the same concept and plot...

Super unoriginal...

EA Sports needs to start setting the bar like it did in the 90s

/Rant

I'll be looking forward to boxing against "Randy Orton" tho


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[DaveDQ]

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I'll add one...

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[Vast]

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As a fan of baseball and hockey games, I can tell you that trying to call out one developer/publisher over another is kind of pointless.

I can also tell you that there is a ton of completely unrealistic gameplay in NBA 2K11. But they focused on what they could do, and what would drive sales.

I think Tiger woods dramatically improved gameplay for guys that want a more sim experience, but saw a massive drop in sales, as well as a ton of negativity over it.

I will agree with you that EA's titles have almost universally had below average presentation. Luckily, 2K is so good at this, they produced Don King Boxing. Yay!

I don't think the fans are wrong to want more. But it's not like NFL 2K, where a better game just didn't get the love. No one is really making the game you want. You can blame EA for not listening to you. But you might as well blame every other developer and publisher that has no interest in making the game you want either.

I have to disagree with everything that you've said.... Except the fact that Don King Boxing sucked. it was atrocious, but VC didn't make it. Notice i said VC (Visual Concepts) listens to its fans. I didn't say 2k.

So Mr. Arcade boxing fan is a NBA Sim head?? Interesting. It is completely false to say that NBA 2K11 has a TON of completely unrealistic gameplay. Its actually blasphemy. lol

[iLLmatic]

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I'll add one...

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OOH! You brought back memories with the "Dragon". I wore the hell out of that Beta tape. Yeah, Beta. Yeah. I know. My folks actually bought a Beta system and we were one of the 4 people who fell for that trick. Pops broke down and got the VCR not to long after.

R.I.P: Julius Carry (1952–2008) aka "Sho'nuff"

[wileyboy747]

classic controls are back so im definitely geetin it !!!!! --total punch control sucks, thats the only reason why my fnr 4 is collecting dust right now.

[TheCreep]

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classic controls are back so im definitely geetin it !!!!! --total punch control sucks, thats the only reason why my fnr 4 is collecting dust right now.

FN4 has classic button configuration man. Someone can confirm this correct? I recall Brizzo saying it would become available in a patch. I'm not fully aware though, I dont use the buttons.

[JayhawkerStL]

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I have to disagree with everything that you've said.... Except the fact that Don King Boxing sucked. it was atrocious, but VC didn't make it. Notice i said VC (Visual Concepts) listens to its fans. I didn't say 2k.

So Mr. Arcade boxing fan is a NBA Sim head?? Interesting. It is completely false to say that NBA 2K11 has a TON of completely unrealistic gameplay. Its actually blasphemy. lol

Since you started out by comparing a publisher and a developer, I'm not surprised you are confused. But VC has been responsible for lackluster releases of both NHL2K and MLB2K recently.

Meanwhile, EA Canada has produced the finest hockey game ever produced, a solid, and now considered the best soccer game in FIFA. They also laid a giant turd with NBA Elite.

So this fanboy notion of who is good, and who is bad is really pointless.

I'm not trying to slam NBA 2K11, as I think it is a fantastic game. But it is a great game that would not hold up to the same scrutiny the hardcore fight fans here are holding Fight Night to. Not because it is a bad, but because it is a videogame.

There is no issue with EA Canada not listening to fans. The issue is whether they have the same goals and visions as you. I'm just trying to suggest that there are probably some good reasons that the game you want isn't even on the table. It's clear that the new game is just a slight upgrade over the same game you've been hating on for years.

There are not enough hardcore boxing fans that play videogames to justify the level of sim you are looking for. That's why it plays more like PGR than Forza in terms of sim vs. arcade. It's also why it still reviews and sells well.

[DaveDQ]

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Since you started out by comparing a publisher and a developer, I'm not surprised you are confused. But VC has been responsible for lackluster releases of both NHL2K and MLB2K recently.

Meanwhile, EA Canada has produced the finest hockey game ever produced, a solid, and now considered the best soccer game in FIFA. They also laid a giant turd with NBA Elite.

So this fanboy notion of who is good, and who is bad is really pointless.

I'm not trying to slam NBA 2K11, as I think it is a fantastic game. But it is a great game that would not hold up to the same scrutiny the hardcore fight fans here are holding Fight Night to. Not because it is a bad, but because it is a videogame.

There is no issue with EA Canada not listening to fans. The issue is whether they have the same goals and visions as you. I'm just trying to suggest that there are probably some good reasons that the game you want isn't even on the table. It's clear that the new game is just a slight upgrade over the same game you've been hating on for years.

There are not enough hardcore boxing fans that play videogames to justify the level of sim you are looking for. That's why it plays more like PGR than Forza in terms of sim vs. arcade. It's also why it still reviews and sells well.

Good Points.