PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

[SuperBowlNachos]

Which is more important? I have a freshman guard with higher footwork and strength, but a sophomore with a high pass block and run block rating.

[WizKhid]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

I always wonder that to but IMO i always go with PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS because they can have good blocking but if they don't have good footwork then their blocking would be nothing

but that just how i see it.

[GGGswim]

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Crap. Can't find it and I just printed it off from this site yesterday...

If I'm recalling correctly, though, you have to look at the footwork and strength grades more than the overall PBK and RBK ones. And, again if I'm right, the footwork grades reflect how a lineman will be when engaged with a rusher using a finesse move, while the strength rating shows how he'll be when engaged with a rusher making a power move.

I took the when engaged thing to mean that the lineman has to actually be blocking the guy. He's not going to magically accelerate out to the edge to utilize his PBS for a speed rusher OLB or CB, but if you or he engage the guy, then this comes into play.
Never knew all this, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks to whoever posted that in whichever thread I can't seem to find at the moment...

[Playmakers]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

The 1st two blocking ratings are for SIM results....

The Footwork ratings and strength ratings play out on the field during actual gameplay.....

Also IMPACT blockig and Awareness is huge for Offensive Linemen.....

These ratings also make WR's and RB's much better in blocking for WR's they block down field better and for RB's they pick up blitzing LB's and DB's a lot better than default ratings

These ratings are the most underated ratings in the game and people don't actually get to see the beauty of pass blocking and run blocking unless the OL is smart and agile

[DavonBrown]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

Crap. Can't find it and I just printed it off from this site yesterday...

If I'm recalling correctly, though, you have to look at the footwork and strength grades more than the overall PBK and RBK ones. And, again if I'm right, the footwork grades reflect how a lineman will be when engaged with a rusher using a finesse move, while the strength rating shows how he'll be when engaged with a rusher making a power move.

I took the when engaged thing to mean that the lineman has to actually be blocking the guy. He's not going to magically accelerate out to the edge to utilize his PBS for a speed rusher OLB or CB, but if you or he engage the guy, then this comes into play.
Never knew all this, but it makes a lot of sense. Thanks to whoever posted that in whichever thread I can't seem to find at the moment...

You are 100% correct.

[slingstone]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

I've done a little fooling around with the Pocket Scout player calculator for recruiting, and it only takes into account the PBK, IBK, RBS, RBF, PBS, and PBF stats (along with 40 time, strength, etc.) when calculating potential ratings for O-line recruits. It shocked me a bit and completed realigned what I look at when recruiting linemen.

So, given my recent experience and (far more important) what the forum vets are saying, it seems like the strength and footwork values are far more important than the overall block values to determining the actual ability of an offensive lineman.

[davemay135]

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Huh? Pocket scout? Please inform an ignoramous on what this is.

[slingstone]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

Google it. It's an application that takes stats from the game and calculates an approximation of overall ratings on recruits. The full version includes a full player calculator and the ability to draw the information directly from your xbox 360 saves.

[jpz]

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The 1st two blocking ratings are for SIM results....

The Footwork ratings and strength ratings play out on the field during actual gameplay.....

Also IMPACT blockig and Awareness is huge for Offensive Linemen.....

These ratings also make WR's and RB's much better in blocking for WR's they block down field better and for RB's they pick up blitzing LB's and DB's a lot better than default ratings

These ratings are the most underated ratings in the game and people don't actually get to see the beauty of pass blocking and run blocking unless the OL is smart and agile

Your telling me that block rating means nothing when you are playing the game, but only when you simulate it? I don't understand that because some guys have high block rating, but there footwork and strength aren't that good.

[osubeavs721]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

strength triumphs all. if you have a OL with strength a good strength grade, thats all that matters

[jpz]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

strength triumphs all. if you have a OL with strength a good strength grade, thats all that matters

How true is this comment?

[plak89]

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How true is this comment?

I wouldn't say it's COMPLETELY true. Especially if u say, are running a spread offense. U would want more quick, agile, pass oriented blockers.

With that being said, strength is very important for olineman.

[PDuncanOSU]

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I am currently recruiting a 3* TE and am pretty confused by some of his ratings?
Catching = D
Catch in Traffic = B-
Does this mean he will be more likely to catch a pass if he is tightly covered in traffic?

Pass Block = C
Pass Block Strength = D+
Pass Block Footwork = D-
Run Block = D
Run Block Strength = C
Run Block Footwork = C-
Impact Block = C+
Will he be a better pass blocker based of the overall blocking grades, or a better run blocker based off the strength/footwork grades?

[GGGswim]

Re: PBK/RBK v. PBF/RBF and RBS/PBS

I am currently recruiting a 3* TE and am pretty confused by some of his ratings?
Catching = D
Catch in Traffic = B-
Does this mean he will be more likely to catch a pass if he is tightly covered in traffic?

Pass Block = C
Pass Block Strength = D+
Pass Block Footwork = D-
Run Block = D
Run Block Strength = C
Run Block Footwork = C-
Impact Block = C+
Will he be a better pass blocker based of the overall blocking grades, or a better run blocker based off the strength/footwork grades?

IMO, no, he'll suck as a pass blocker, "Ole!", and will be only average in run block.
As stated earlier, somewhere, his block strength will come into play against power moves, while his block footwork affects a rusher employing a finesse (the ugly, overused and everpresent swim move by the CPU) move. A power move guy will blow by him on pass plays and will meet only slightly better resistance on running plays.
Bottom line is, the RBS/RBF and PBS/PBF is more important than his generaly run/pass block ratings. Again IMO, ignore those last two rankings when recruiting and look instead at the other four rankings. I've almost completely switched to PBS/PBF focus when considering T's. They usually don't suck in the run block S/F dept. so I'll still be able to run edge plays, and my QB won't be creamed quite so often when the damn 'user' lapses and doesn't pay attention to the rush or blitz while watching his receivers.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Footwork is more important......Don't matter if you have 99 strength. Because if you can't get in position fast enough to use your strength, it is all for nothing.

I tested this theory over and over again when I edited the rosters. Hell I even edited all the starting RBs in the game pass blocking footwork to 75. And wouldn't you know it, they actually started picking up blitzes way better.