Minor League Development

[sk]

I don't know if I'm wrong or not, but does it seem like the players in your minor leagues (AA and AAA) never develop?

It seems as though that while they might have great seasons, Sub 3 ERA/.300+ BA, their ratings don't seem to go up so I can't really bring along a prospect and bring up to the show.

Again, I don't know if I'm wrong or not, but this is why OP exists right?

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Minor League Development

I don't know if I'm wrong or not, but does it seem like the players in your minor leagues (AA and AAA) never develop?

It seems as though that while they might have great seasons, Sub 3 ERA/.300+ BA, their ratings don't seem to go up so I can't really bring along a prospect and bring up to the show.

Again, I don't know if I'm wrong or not, but this is why OP exists right?

Actually, I think most of the time people had problems with prospects developing TOO fast, and then the franchise being loaded with 22 year old phenoms.

I do, however, feel that players develop too much based on their "potential" grade, and not their stats. I have had prospects with a "C" potential have great years for me, but never really improve at all, while I've seen prospects with "A" potentials jump a ton in development after an average season.

[JT92]

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I do, however, feel that players develop too much based on their "potential" grade, and not their stats. I have had prospects with a "C" potential have great years for me, but never really improve at all, while I've seen prospects with "A" potentials jump a ton in development after an average season.

This is how their progression system is I think.

[countryboy]

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my minor leaguers have always progressed just fine. Maybe too good at times.

[Knight165]

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As of right now....progression is based on potential and training.
Like others have said...sometimes it was TOO good....hence why a lot of us went to no training for all teams in '10. Both was actually causing players to get way too good....way too fast.
IMO....to base progression on stats wouldn't really work...at least as the main thrust of progression....and at least until a certain age.

There are plenty of guys who rip it up at the minor league level.....and if weighted as a stat heavy progression would be automatic beasts at the MLB level...when it doesn't always happen that way.

IMO....progression has to be the toughest thing to program.

M.K.
Knight165

[countryboy]

Re: Minor League Development

As of right now....progression is based on potential and training.
Like others have said...sometimes it was TOO good....hence why a lot of us went to no training for all teams in '10. Both was actually causing players to get way too good....way too fast.
IMO....to base progression on stats wouldn't really work...at least as the main thrust of progression....and at least until a certain age.

There are plenty of guys who rip it up at the minor league level.....and if weighted as a stat heavy progression would be automatic beasts at the MLB level...when it doesn't always happen that way.

IMO....progression has to be the toughest thing to program.

M.K.
Knight165

agreed 100%. The balance between stats and natural progression is a fine line to adhere to.

[JoeCoolMan24]

Re: Minor League Development

As of right now....progression is based on potential and training.
Like others have said...sometimes it was TOO good....hence why a lot of us went to no training for all teams in '10. Both was actually causing players to get way too good....way too fast.
IMO....to base progression on stats wouldn't really work...at least as the main thrust of progression....and at least until a certain age.

There are plenty of guys who rip it up at the minor league level.....and if weighted as a stat heavy progression would be automatic beasts at the MLB level...when it doesn't always happen that way.

IMO....progression has to be the toughest thing to program.

M.K.
Knight165

I just feel it needs to be balanced more. Because otherwise I feel like I have no reason to keep a prospect with a C or D potential, because they hardly ever improve that ratings, while I feel even if a A potential player has a terrible year, he will improve no matter what. In real life, yeah, you don't really weigh minor league stats that much, you actually look at the player in live action, but in the video game world I think we are more bound to judging their talents based on their stats.

[I_Love_Piazza]

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There should be at least a 25% incorporation of stats. Otherwise, why play the minor leagues and have a great season with your B potential SS when he's never going to become a big prospect? Not to mention, stats are used a lot these days in prospect analysis, specifically strikeouts and walks.

[Knight165]

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I just feel it needs to be balanced more. Because otherwise I feel like I have no reason to keep a prospect with a C or D potential, because they hardly ever improve that ratings, while I feel even if a A potential player has a terrible year, he will improve no matter what. In real life, yeah, you don't really weigh minor league stats that much, you actually look at the player in live action, but in the video game world I think we are more bound to judging their talents based on their stats.

But this has more to do with a surprise jump in progression despite potential...more than a jump because of a good minor league season statistically. The good statistical season season should be a product of a jump in ratings....not the other way around. Too much imbalance the other way.
Also....C's and even D's do progress positively.

...and a B SS...will almost ALWAYS become a big player eventually.

What there isn't enough of...is surprise busts(of A's and B's) and gems(of C's and D's)...that either don't progress no matter what and will progress despite being a C prospect. This should be more common with the A/B's....and not so common with the C/D's.
IMO of course.

M.K.
Knight165

[JayD]

Re: Minor League Development

Knight, do you know if minor league players will be called up or sent down due to performance and not just for injuries in franchise mode?

[Knight165]

Re: Minor League Development

Knight, do you know if minor league players will be called up or sent down due to performance and not just for injuries in franchise mode?

Not this year.
Next year I'd say.


M.K.
Knight165

[JayD]

Re: Minor League Development

Not this year.
Next year I'd say.


M.K.
Knight165

damn was really hoping that it made it in this year, oh well.

[Knight165]

Re: Minor League Development

damn was really hoping that it made it in this year, oh well.

Me too.

M.K.
Knight165

[jrich730]

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Stats should Be taken into account as in real life. For example Josh Vitters a number 3 pick from the cubs has been a top 100 prospect in all his yers but he hasn't been producing as well so his stock is dropping. Potential should not be the be all end all every thing I read says he has a beautiful swing but he swings at everything so are we looking at a jeff franceour(?) type player. I know that's hard to recreate but if a player is a top 5 A prospect but isn't playing well for a year in a half he should drop to a low b prospect but the fact that he had A potential should not be forgotten if for some reason he is a late bloomer ala Nelson Cruz or Josh Hamilton (for different reasons of course) but leave that option.

I hate that no matter what when knight and the rest if the guys finish the rosters mike trout and Bryce harper will be like the greatest players ever even though they might not be who knows and I think the who knows is what people want

[Knight165]

Re: Minor League Development

Stats should Be taken into account as in real life. For example Josh Vitters a number 3 pick from the cubs has been a top 100 prospect in all his yers but he hasn't been producing as well so his stock is dropping. Potential should not be the be all end all every thing I read says he has a beautiful swing but he swings at everything so are we looking at a jeff franceour(?) type player. I know that's hard to recreate but if a player is a top 5 A prospect but isn't playing well for a year in a half he should drop to a low b prospect but the fact that he had A potential should not be forgotten if for some reason he is a late bloomer ala Nelson Cruz or Josh Hamilton (for different reasons of course) but leave that option.

I hate that no matter what when knight and the rest if the guys finish the rosters mike trout and Bryce harper will be like the greatest players ever even though they might not be who knows and I think the who knows is what people want

I don't think you're thinking this through all the way.
The Show does have in place...exactly what you are talking about(but as I've just shot off to Kolbe in a gigantic franchise e-mail....I don't think it happens enough or severe enough)
Player X is an A potential-great progression potential as an A
...he hits .245 with 11 homers in season one..with a terrible stretch to end the season. You will sometimes(not enough as I've stated) that Player X's stock is dropping. You will now notice he has dropped to a B(or a C...but I've only seen a double drop twice in my franchise). This happens before the season ended...and he won't get that A progression...he will get his dropped potential progression
Player X is now a B potential and his progression into the next year will be reflected as such.
Player X again has a poor minor league season....with a terrible stretch in the middle...and you might again see the message above...in which he could drop to a C....
I believe that this change will only occur in the minor leagues and I don't think age matters...so you can "resurrect" a player.

You seem to be saying that stats should be directly tied into progression. IMO that's too direct of a path with way too much of a chance for problems and erratic progression.
Stats are now tied into potential change....yes..they could be tied more into it...but ultimately, it's the same as what you are saying....just in a more controlled manner as it wont' always or immediately happen.

...and in my Met franchise...year 2011....I just had one of my pitchers...Scott Moviel a B(he should have been a C...but we were locked in last year with potentials) had a tremendous year in AA...and a really hot month of July...in which I got the "stock is rising" message. He is now an A.
I also have Kirk Niewhenhaus(sp)...a C rated CF....also ripped it up in AA and went from a C to a B. (first time I've seen two on my teams in one season)...so I KNOW it does happen. And it doesn't only happen to generated players....I've seen it occur with an SCEA player as well.....except he was already an A...so it didn't change his potential. I saw the message though...so I'm just pointing that out.(can't remember who it was)

M.K.
Knight165