Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

[Bellsprout]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

Is this going to be strictly luck? Or will there be some strategy to surprise onsides?

Like, will I be able to tell if players in the front line are breaking back to get in their blocking position slightly before the ball is kicked, so the next time I kickoff I can look for this and use the surprise onside if I see it again? Or will it be pretty much random?

[MrSkagTrendy]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

Where is the fighting for the ball which is a staple of the onside? And where is the emotion from Philly after recovering it? Nice feature but a long way to go.

[JMD]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog

Surprise onside kicks eh...like it but can see it getting abused online.

One of the biggest problems with Madden is that it did not include these types of plays because of the "fear" of what abuses might take place online.

I say NO MORE to that mentality. You can't keep things out of a game just because you are concerned about some cheeseballer. Find a core group of sim gamers to play with and the problem is solved. There are enough good communities like this one around now so that type of player can be avoided. The game should not suffer because of them.

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

That's because Ian was dead set against putting in surprise onside kicks and put up a obviously biased poll to swing the poll in his favor. If you didn't know Ian was dead set against it initially, and didn't see the poll, hard to make the above comment.

Since that time, Ian had a change of heart and a change of mind, so, the poll that was posted at that time is irrelevant at this time.

Too early to comment about PA being fixed.

So your saying it was basically a joke, or that Ian was trying to make a point ?

[Hova57]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

I believe EA should take on the role of making games that is true to the sport regardless of the fan base sector. Making the onside sneak on two times a game is great. Someone who isn't that up to date on this will try to do it more than twice . they should have illegal procedure penalty and tack 15 yards

[The GIGGAS]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

I believe EA should take on the role of making games that is true to the sport regardless of the fan base sector. Making the onside sneak on two times a game is great. Someone who isn't that up to date on this will try to do it more than twice . they should have illegal procedure penalty and tack 15 yards

But what you're suggesting isn't true to the sport. In real life, you can try as many onside kicks as you want. There is not a penalty against them.

[greenegt]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

I'm happy that they announced something so early in the year. Tuner sets are a great thing and the surprise onside kick is a nice gameplay add. The last few years, I've ended up alternating between NCAA and Madden as my football game for the year. This year is Madden's turn, and I've got high hopes for this year's title. Can't wait for more info.

[sb24]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

As long as you have 3 types of kickreturns this wont be a problem. You should have onside recovery, safe return, full return. If a guys trys a surprise onside vs a safe return, he should lose 70-80% of the time. If he kicks deep while the guy is in a safe return, the return should be not be as effective as when you pick full return. Now if the guys pulls a surprise onside against a full return, he should get the ball 70-80% of the time.

[johnprestonevans]

It continues to scare me how off the mark EA Tiburon is with their direction and focus with Madden. I know there are still 6 more months until the release of Madden 12, but seriously - to "kick off" details about your flagship game with surprise onside kicks and game tuning shows a frightening lack of ability to create some buzz among the community.

How often are we going to use surprise onside kicks in the game anyway? Aren't gameplay tuning sliders a fundamental requirement in all sports games these days? This is not a back-of-the-box feature we should get excited about. It simply helps us fix a broken game ourselves. Sure it is needed in this case, but talking about them now does not bid well for the game.

The worst part about this blog is what is NOT being said. Where is the big game changing feature or update? Call me impatient, but I would think that leading with your trump card and showing the community your dedication to fixing gameplay and presentation would garner our best expectations. I know there is a lot more to come, and I sincerely hope that EA is doing things to fix fundamental issues (animations, commentary, lack luster broadcast presentation) rather than adding tiny gimmicks again this year.

[jeremym480]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

As long as you have 3 types of kickreturns this wont be a problem. You should have onside recovery, safe return, full return. If a guys trys a surprise onside vs a safe return, he should lose 70-80% of the time. If he kicks deep while the guy is in a safe return, the return should be not be as effective as when you pick full return. Now if the guys pulls a surprise onside against a full return, he should get the ball 70-80% of the time.

I hope that's the way it is...

I also wonder if you can chose which side to do an onside to.. like left, right or down the middle.

Lastly, will the CPU do a surprise onside kick and if so, what logic is used in calculating that decision? Is it random or is it somehow factored into the a coach rating? Hopefully, a detailed blog about onside kicks and kickoff returns drop soon.

[jeremym480]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

It continues to scare me how off the mark EA Tiburon is with their direction and focus with Madden. I know there are still 6 more months until the release of Madden 12, but seriously - to "kick off" details about your flagship game with surprise onside kicks and game tuning shows a frightening lack of ability to create some buzz among the community.

How often are we going to use surprise onside kicks in the game anyway? Aren't gameplay tuning sliders a fundamental requirement in all sports games these days? This is not a back-of-the-box feature we should get excited about. It simply helps us fix a broken game ourselves. Sure it is needed in this case, but talking about them now does not bid well for the game.

The worst part about this blog is what is NOT being said. Where is the big game changing feature or update? Call me impatient, but I would think that leading with your trump card and showing the community your dedication to fixing gameplay and presentation would garner our best expectations. I know there is a lot more to come, and I sincerely hope that EA is doing things to fix fundamental issues (animations, commentary, lack luster broadcast presentation) rather than adding tiny gimmicks again this year.

You said it.

[johnprestonevans]

I just hope there are some FUNDAMENTAL improvements to this year's game. I'm tired of seeing a new coat of paint laid over a crumbling wall. Instead of hearing about a type of play that hardly ever gets called, it would be better to hear about how the kick returns themselves have been fixed. I'm sure there will be some bigger news in the months ahead. But unfortunately this initial blog does not get any hype going for me.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

If you want to limit the surprise onside to 2 a game for online matchups, then you gotta do what you gotta do, but I really hope there is no limit for offline games. Not that it's something I'm going to abuse -- heck, I could see myself not using it at all, but there's no limit in real life.

And I hope that when I'm playing against the CPU, it will attempt a surprise onside every now and again. Maybe, as others have mentioned, it could be tied to a coaching rating. Since they gave a 'swagger' rating to the players last year, maybe this year they can give a 'Bill Parcells Big Balls' Rating or something.

[TheRealHST]

So.....the big annoucement was....Onside Kick? ummm.... whatever, im done with Madden forvever....

[fhhs63]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

Making tuners only tells me one thing....the gameplay will be so bad that we'll need tuners.......