Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

I can't recall seeing it in regular onside kicks either, but I always thought that that play should trigger some sort of 'fight for the fumble'. That would go a ways in solving the interaction problem.

Every type of onside I've seen was clear recovery, play dead, everyone freezes.

[JohnZapp]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

everybody is being spoiled brats. its obvious that some ppl didnt read the blog. the madden development team told ian that he couldnt say any new feature and it was decided by an arm wrestle. ian won and he said 2 very minor new features that would still hold the suspense for features to come. were lucky that we even got news on what theyre doing. god help society

[ryan36]

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I don't think tuner sets are minor. I think that's huge for guys like us. Ian's trying to throw us a bone, and we bitch ...SMH

[LiquorLogic]

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everybody is being spoiled brats. its obvious that some ppl didnt read the blog. the madden development team told ian that he couldnt say any new feature and it was decided by an arm wrestle. ian won and he said 2 very minor new features that would still hold the suspense for features to come. were lucky that we even got news on what theyre doing. god help society

I didn't expect anything big, but the lack of emotion, the lack of awareness, and the same stiff robotic movement that has plagued Madden during this generation of consoles is discouraging.

Did you notice that the Giants players are celebrating, even though they're barely celebrating, and the Eagles players are reacting negatively even though the Eagles recovered the football ?

I'm sorry, but it looks like it's going to be more of the same.

I don't think tuner sets are minor. I think that's huge for guys like us. Ian's trying to throw us a bone, and we bitch ...SMH

I don't know about you, but I don't want some other dog's sloppy seconds.

[Bellsprout]

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I'm sorry, but it looks like it's going to be more of the same.

5 months before it goes gold, that's a reasonable statement.

Isn't it possible that they've only coded the surprise kicks and haven't yet tied celebration animations to the kicks yet?

[jeremym480]

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5 months before it goes gold, that's a reasonable statement.

Isn't it possible that they've only coded the surprise kicks and haven't yet tied celebration animations to the kicks yet?

By George, you might be onto something

[The GIGGAS]

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I don't think tuner sets are minor. I think that's huge for guys like us. Ian's trying to throw us a bone, and we bitch ...SMH

I agree with you there. Having tuner sets is a step in the right direction. The bitching is not even close to being warranted at this point in the game's release cycle. No one knows how the game's going to be at release... not even developers! To immediately write the game off is short-sighted at best.

5 months before it goes gold, that's a reasonable statement.

Isn't it possible that they've only coded the surprise kicks and haven't yet tied celebration animations to the kicks yet?

It's quite possible. We've got multiple months before the game goes gold.

[LiquorLogic]

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5 months before it goes gold, that's a reasonable statement.

Isn't it possible that they've only coded the surprise kicks and haven't yet tied celebration animations to the kicks yet?

I agree with you there. Having tuner sets is a step in the right direction. The bitching is not even close to being warranted at this point in the game's release cycle. No one knows how the game's going to be at release... not even developers! To immediately write the game off is short-sighted at best.



It's quite possible. We've got multiple months before the game goes gold.

Anything is possible, but that doesn't mean it's probable. At this stage of the game, I've been disappointed too much, I need to see it to believe it.

[The GIGGAS]

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Anything is possible, but that doesn't mean it's probable. At this stage of the game, I've been disappointed too much, I need to see it to believe it.

Yet you're not going to wait to bash the game? Let's step back for a minute. Let's look at what we know about Madden 12.

It's got tuner sets.
It's got surprise onsides.

That is pretty much all we know. Anything we saw in that build Ian was playing could be changed at any time.

All I'm asking is to wait to bash the game. The game is not anywhere close to a shippable state. Madden hasn't been great, but just because a game hasn't been great doesn't mean it can't recover. FIFA recovered. EA NHL recovered. Let's give Ian and co. a chance to improve it without jumping down his throat because he showed us two features that he barely got approved.

[sb24]

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Anything is possible, but that doesn't mean it's probable. At this stage of the game, I've been disappointed too much, I need to see it to believe it.

Well then just wait and see and move on.

Moving on......

I never play NCAA so I will be curious to see the effect the tuner set brings to this game. And As long as the surprise onside has balance, its a great feature. I am so tired of guys taking something like this and then complaining about it claiming its going to ruin online. The next sentence they claim they dont even play online. So annoying.

[Hooe]

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Yet you're not going to wait to bash the game? Let's step back for a minute. Let's look at what we know about Madden 12.

It's got tuner sets.
It's got surprise onsides.

That is pretty much all we know. Anything we saw in that build Ian was playing could be changed at any time.

All I'm asking is to wait to bash the game. The game is not anywhere close to a shippable state. Madden hasn't been great, but just because a game hasn't been great doesn't mean it can't recover. FIFA recovered. EA NHL recovered. Let's give Ian and co. a chance to improve it without jumping down his throat because he showed us two features that he barely got approved.

On top of all that, we also know it's being built on top of Madden NFL 11, which is actually (speaking strictly on-the-field) a pretty solid and fun football video game, IMO.

Are there things we all want to see done for Madden 12? Sure. Are the two new features unveiled in Ian's blog a fine start, particularly with the knowledge that the best is yet to come? Indeed they are.

[GiantBlue76]

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Tuner sets are great. Surprise onside kicks is ok, but I worry about the "what you see on sundays" being taken out of context. Yes, we have seen it, but its rare and only fits certain situations. The problem I see often with madden development is they take one particular highlight play and turn it into a regularity in their game. For example, the pro-tak, break out of a 5 man gang tackle happens far too often. It should happen maybe once in a season, if that.

What I really want to see is a lot of enhancements made to online franchise. How about adding sliders to online franchise? How about consecutive hit tackling and advancing pro-tak? How about adding all of the real penalties and having them called legitimately? PI, Ineligible man downfield, etc. etc. We haven't seen the game yet, so these things might in fact be fixed. The problem I have is that too often these once in a great while highlight types of plays get put in the game when the true things we see EVERY sunday are missing. That directly contradicts the "everything you see on sundays" mantra. The game is not a bad game. This is the first Madden I've enjoyed in almost 10 years. Playing in an online franchise is all I use, but the gameplay is not bad. There are still a lot of things missing that are football regularities, and yes, older games had those things, including older versions of Madden. That should be priority number one. I've accepted the fact that we probably won't get much innovation out of Madden. However, it would be nice to finally get the real football fundamentals in the game.

[JohnZapp]

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^ no no understande

[LiquorLogic]

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Yet you're not going to wait to bash the game? Let's step back for a minute. Let's look at what we know about Madden 12.

It's got tuner sets.
It's got surprise onsides.

That is pretty much all we know. Anything we saw in that build Ian was playing could be changed at any time.

All I'm asking is to wait to bash the game. The game is not anywhere close to a shippable state. Madden hasn't been great, but just because a game hasn't been great doesn't mean it can't recover. FIFA recovered. EA NHL recovered. Let's give Ian and co. a chance to improve it without jumping down his throat because he showed us two features that he barely got approved.

Given EA's track record, with Madden, EA has earned my skepticism. I've purchased every Madden on this generation of consoles and have been disappointed every single time.

I have no problems with the tuner sets. In fact I'm glad that there are tuner sets in the game. It would have been nice to have them in M11, but that's water under the bridge. The onside kick footage was discouraging. The player movement, emotion, and awareness left a lot to be desired.

[The GIGGAS]

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Given EA's track record, with Madden, EA has earned my skepticism. I've purchased every Madden on this generation of consoles and have been disappointed every single time.

I have no problems with the tuner sets. In fact I'm glad that there are tuner sets in the game. It would have been nice to have them in M11, but that's water under the bridge. The onside kick footage was discouraging. The player movement, emotion, and awareness left a lot to be desired.

Why have you continued to buy them if you are disappointed?

Regardless, software can only change so much in the early part of a piece of software. First, features have to be designed and implemented. February is a very early stage to completely cast out the chance of a game being bad. I understand the idea of skepticism, but at least give the Madden guys a chance to build the game! Emotion isn't just a flip you can switch in the code... it's going to take time to build into it (if they are indeed doing that). To extrapolate that the game is going to suck (or if it is going to be great) based on 20 seconds of a pre-alpha build is jumping the gun so badly that the gun hasn't left the official's pants pocket.