Madden NFL 12 Super Bowl Halftime Blog: Tuner Sets and Surprise Onside Kicks

[BlueNGold]

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I'm 100% convinced that some folks around here have no idea what a gimmick is.

Yep. A lot of guys just want to throw out the go-to words like "broken", "engine", "gimmick", etc.

Regarding Dayman's post, it's too bad they just don't bring back that Fair Play option from the PS2 days. I think it only allowed you to do things like onside kicks in certain situations.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, to the guys that keep saying "If they made the AI smart enough to expect the surprise onside after one attempt, it wouldn't be an issue", yes it would. Eventually there's going to be someone that will find some way to exploit it, like those guys who make Youtube videos and go out of their way to ruin the game just to prove a point (putting punters/kickers on the o-line for example), no matter how hard EA works on making it exploit-proof.

[droopizzle34]

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i could care less about surprise onside kicks. gimicky. i think better resources and time could be spent on other things.

I agree.nothing to get excited about. But the tuner thing is nice,I will admit.But the onside kick thing will be exploited unless EA limits it. Honestly the only thing that could get me excited about Madden 12 is additions and innovations to online/offline franchise.

[Senator Palmer]

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Jon Robinson: Is there a limit to how many times players will be able to attempt this throughout the game?

I don't want people to think that this is an exploit and that we're capping it because it's an exploit, but the idea is that once a team does one, there's no way that the other team would fall for it again. They're going to be setup for it and they're going to prepare for it. So I don't want to make this unlimited where some guy spends six days straight in practice mode and finds a way to recover every time and ruins online play for everyone. That's why we're limiting this to just one or two or maybe three. We'll see how it works out closer to ship.

Okay, this quote doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I get not wanting to make it an exploit, but to say that there's going to be a setup and there's no way a team is going to fall for it twice, then why put a cap on it?

I would hope with the addition of surprise onside then a counter would be implemented, similar to how you have "safe" on punt returns. This addition is all the more reason for more comprehensive special teams play.

[TexasBorn1]

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How the hell is it gimmicky? It's a part of the game.

You don't want to see what you see in real life in the game?

We rarely see surprise onside kicks. Its understandable why someone wouldn't care if its in the game or not. Some are more concerned with the basic fundamentals of every snap that have been neglected for years.

[BlueNGold]

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We rarely see surprise onside kicks. Its understandable why someone wouldn't care if its in the game or not. Some are more concerned with the basic fundamentals of every snap that have been neglected for years.

We rarely see fake field goals. Should we get rid of those? How about safeties? Those are rare as well.

Besides, whether or not he doesn't care if it's in the game or not wasn't the point. He said it's gimmicky, which I fail to see the logic in.

And it's only February. Do you really expect something like WR/DB interaction to be talked about right now?

[TexasBorn1]

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We rarely see fake field goals. Should we get rid of those? How about safeties? Those are rare as well.

Besides, whether or not he doesn't care if it's in the game or not wasn't the point. He said it's gimmicky, which I fail to see the logic in.

And it's only February. Do you really expect something like WR/DB interaction to be talked about right now?

Things like surprise onside kicks are just fluff without fundamentals. That is why he said it. A safety is a part of the rule book so, I don't see why you even used that as an example.

People are aware of how the Madden team releases information, but that is not going to change their reaction to it. "Meh" news is "meh" news whether it comes in Feb. or April. This is not what some fans want to see given the recent history of the series.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say on it. Shouldn't carry on about this...just understand that you will see posts like that from time to time until release. This isn't anything new from the Community

[at23steelers]

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I am sorry, but this is a brilliant move by EA sports. It's the first feature of M12, so you know it's not some huge back of the box thing, and there is currently 27 pages all talking about it. There is so much discussion just from this thread, which was the goal for Tiburon.

[RedZoneD25]

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I am sorry, but this is a brilliant move by EA sports. It's the first feature of M12, so you know it's not some huge back of the box thing, and there is currently 27 pages all talking about it. There is so much discussion just from this thread, which was the goal for Tiburon.

Exactly. This was announced to generate discussion, hype, hate, whatever it gets because it puts Madden 12 in motion.

[sportyguyfl31]

There's always going to be a faction who will call anything new added as gimmicky.

The YouTube Apostles and their Acolytes preaching the "double hit tackles" and "real time physics" gospel, for the next 6 months and wondering why All Madden Difficulty cant produce realistic gameplay.

It's the same cycle every year.


too early to tell anything.

I was skeptical as to how Madden 11 would be, and I ended up having a immense amount of fun.

'11 was fun, look forward to having fun in '12 as well.

[boom.h]

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This is nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if it was touted as a "feature," though.

[goodygoody]

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I'm a little concerned about the idea of having only 1 SOK per game. Dont get me wrong, I understand that Madden is trying to avoid an exploit by any means necessary, but one per game takes away the "S" in SOK. Think about it. You're playing madden and the other team does a SOK to start the game (it happens). From then on out, you know that there won't be anymore SOK's for the rest of the game. Is that what we want? Why not have 3 SOKs per game and have the chances of them being successful decrease each time?? For example:

1st SOK - 45% Success Rate

2nd SOK - 20% Success Rate

3rd SOK - 5% Success Rate

This would be a more realistic representation of the game because teams are much more prepared for an SOK after its already been attempted. Also, with the success rate decreasing each time, there would be less chance of an exploit because it would likely come back to bite whoever attempts to do so.

[roadman]

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I'm a little concerned about the idea of having only 1 SOK per game. Dont get me wrong, I understand that Madden is trying to avoid an exploit by any means necessary, but one per game takes away the "S" in SOK. Think about it. You're playing madden and the other team does a SOK to start the game (it happens). From then on out, you know that there won't be anymore SOK's for the rest of the game. Is that what we want? Why not have 3 SOKs per game and have the chances of them being successful decrease each time?? For example:

1st SOK - 45% Success Rate

2nd SOK - 20% Success Rate

3rd SOK - 5% Success Rate

This would be a more realistic representation of the game because teams are much more prepared for an SOK after its already been attempted. Also, with the success rate decreasing each time, there would be less chance of an exploit because it would likely come back to bite whoever attempts to do so.

I think with the article and blog it's always per side, not 1 per game, but 2 per game. Earlier in the week, it was 2 per side for a total of 4 per game. Does that make sense?

Anyway, you don't see teams performing one SOK per game anyway, the Packers attempted one all year and were successful.

Just saying, glad it's even in the game. Plus, based on the blog, it's adjustable with tuner sets.

[GiantBlue76]

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It could easily have been put in a little news release that pops up when a player went to the online section of the game so again this sounds like a cop out to me.

As far as scrapping whats there and starting over with a completely new superstar mode, I think it's possible, they did scrap a terrible online league system from madden 09 before building the online franchise in the game now. I just have my doubts because things like the halftime highlights and the current online franchise suggest to me that this team likes to cut corners instead of including the "little things" that could make the game great.

I agree 100% with this post.

[goodygoody]

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I think with the article and blog it's always per side, not 1 per game, but 2 per game. Earlier in the week, it was 2 per side for a total of 4 per game. Does that make sense?

Anyway, you don't see teams performing one SOK per game anyway, the Packers attempted one all year and were successful.

Just saying, glad it's even in the game. Plus, based on the blog, it's adjustable with tuner sets.

I meant one per side. That would suck if the other team could take away your option to do a SOK lol

But, i'm on board with what you're saying. I didn't take note of the fact that teams rarely do it.

[GiantBlue76]

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I have no problem with them adding surprise onside kicks. However, I do have a problem with it when all I heard on the podcasts and twitter responses were a lot of excuses as to why things weren't in the game. Things like, "that takes a long time", "that's really hard to implement". There are always going to be people who buy Madden every year that don't know the difference between a cover 0 and a zone blitz cover 3. It's the folks that actually know football who are not getting what they ask for. It's now Madden 11 and there is still no ineligible man downfield, pass interference is absolutely broken, there is still no consecutive hit tackles, there are some serious bugs with fumbles and possession, online franchise is left totally incomplete, no sliders for OF, commentary was disjointed and clearly Collinsworth was not brought in to work with Gus for this year's game.

Madden 11 is not a bad game, and I have enjoyed being in an online franchise. However, if there was another option that had the football fundamentals most of us are looking for, I'd probably be playing that instead.

To hear that surprise onside kicks are being added because it's what I see on Sundays, yet there are so many other things missing that I see EVERY sunday, is a head scratcher. How many surprise onside kicks were executed the entire season? Not many, is that really a priority?

I'm sorry, but these guys complain a lot about the flack they get from youtube and the community yet they ask for it with the decisions they make.