Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

[TracerBullet]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

I like the tuner sets in NHL. I really didn't like the way they implemented them in NCAA. I honestly felt like they were an afterthought. I mean when did the last one come out? There hasn't been a peep from those guys in Months. I would've thought we could've got something around the BCS championship game. I love NCAA 11 and am still in 2 OD's but NCAA is far from perfect and could've used an aditional tuner or two IMO.

I also like how in NHL you can choose which tuner set you want to use. I don't understand how that can be in one game and not another? That NEEDS to be an option in Madden 12.

I'm with you on this whole post. They are definitely not a gimmick though no matter how you put it. Especially when you look at the abundance of people who complain about patches taking too long.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

Especially when you look at the abundance of people who complain about patches taking too long.

Bingo, I didn't even think of that end of it. Better customer relations to fix things quickly.

[coconutnp]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

lets get the running, passing, blocking, coverage, tackling, hitting, catching right before we start worrying about things like surprise onside kicks. The passing styles and running styles still dont look great, hits and tackles need to look more realistic, coverage needs to be better. Give the defense some attention and make the defenses unique so the Jets 3-4 isn't the same as the Patriots 3-4 which isnt the same as the Steelers 3-4. Make punts and kicks actually blockable every now and then (this is more a problem in NCAA Football since it happens more often in college football instead of the pros).

The things like tuners and surprise onside kicks aren't the things that are going to bring back the hardcore Madden gamer that has been there since the early 90s. The guy who was loyal for so many years who now is tired of shelling out $60 each year for a roster updated gimmick game. NFL players are athletes. The way they move in real life, the speed, athleticism, agility, strength they show is missing from the game. When a guy is running full speed his feet are moving fast, his knees aren't 90 degrees the whole time. When a guy make a cut back its not just plant the foot and he's going the other direction. When a guy goes to make a tackles its not always a dive or suction like tackle where things stop and the guys just fall where they are. It depends on the speed both players are running, the angle, the size of each guy, the strength of each guy, does he run through the runner, does he bounce off the runner, does he stand the runner up as they fight for yards, does he wrap and roll, does he wrap and drive him down, does he just destroy the guy. You dont get real tackles in the game.

Get the football part of the game right and win back the fans and then you can worry about things like surprise onside kicks.

i agree totally with JerseySauve
i remember feening for new updates on madden 11 last year this time.
i sign in everyday to OS only to get banned. my childhood friend gets it early and we have been playing football games since tecmo bowl. we started up a game . he threw a pass to jamichael finely , i hit the hit stick only to start the weird hugging animation (pro tak) only to have the rest of my team to start this rugby scrimmish and to see his TE break all the tackles and jogged in for a touchdown oh by the way i had patrick willis!

c'mon son ! right then and there he turn to me said that is some bulls ish
but ill take it!!!!

[JerseySuave4]

Tuner sets are great news folks, especially if you are familiar with NCAA. Onside kicks was just an appetizer of what is to come.

We already knew they weren't touching franchise mode and I wouldn't expect any game play/presentation news.

Looks like we find out in a month or so a bit of new info.

wait theyre not touching Franchise mode AGAIN? They didnt touch franchise mode last year are they really not doing anything with it 2 straight years? If so then its an automatic no buy for me.

[kehlis]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

wait theyre not touching Franchise mode AGAIN? They didnt touch franchise mode last year are they really not doing anything with it 2 straight years? If so then its an automatic no buy for me.

I could be wrong but I think he was referring to the fact that we knew they wouldn't be mentioning anything about franchise in the halftime blog.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

I could be wrong but I think he was referring to the fact that we knew they wouldn't be mentioning anything about franchise in the halftime blog.

Kehlis is correct. No need to start a panic. Ian already said in a tweet franchise news down the road.

Yeah, sorry Jersey, I could have worded that better.

[H to the Oza]

lets get the running, passing, blocking, coverage, tackling, hitting, catching right before we start worrying about things like surprise onside kicks. The passing styles and running styles still dont look great, hits and tackles need to look more realistic, coverage needs to be better. Give the defense some attention and make the defenses unique so the Jets 3-4 isn't the same as the Patriots 3-4 which isnt the same as the Steelers 3-4. Make punts and kicks actually blockable every now and then (this is more a problem in NCAA Football since it happens more often in college football instead of the pros).

The things like tuners and surprise onside kicks aren't the things that are going to bring back the hardcore Madden gamer that has been there since the early 90s. The guy who was loyal for so many years who now is tired of shelling out $60 each year for a roster updated gimmick game. NFL players are athletes. The way they move in real life, the speed, athleticism, agility, strength they show is missing from the game. When a guy is running full speed his feet are moving fast, his knees aren't 90 degrees the whole time. When a guy make a cut back its not just plant the foot and he's going the other direction. When a guy goes to make a tackles its not always a dive or suction like tackle where things stop and the guys just fall where they are. It depends on the speed both players are running, the angle, the size of each guy, the strength of each guy, does he run through the runner, does he bounce off the runner, does he stand the runner up as they fight for yards, does he wrap and roll, does he wrap and drive him down, does he just destroy the guy. You dont get real tackles in the game.

Get the football part of the game right and win back the fans and then you can worry about things like surprise onside kicks.

Truest post I have ever seen on OS... kudos for pointing out flaws that inhibit realism. couldnt agree more!!

[DavonBrown]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

Surprise onside kicks? They overlook the critical issues and add surprise onside kicks? And if you look at the video, the kick didn't even look realistic. Their was no contact or interaction between players and players didn't even run towards the football.

If you want to make special teams play a bigger part in the game just fix the blocking on returns and make it possible to block kicks. If you want to add some shenanigans just add some new trick plays, bobbled snaps, etc.

You complain about disk space, but you leave out important aspects of football that we see everyday(height and weight matters, realistic WR/DB interaction, realistic OL/DL interaction, realistic tackling, coverage, tendencies, jump balls, etc) and decide to waste space to add something that we see once per season. EA Sports makes zero sense to me.

[PatriotJames]

Are the makers of Madden even NFL fans??? What a load of crap! I don't give a flying you know what about onside kicks and yes its great that you're putting in these "tuners" but I have a better idea, why not give US the tuner control? Maybe some people will like tuners one way and others another. The game is realistic to everyone in a different sense. They need to use these tuners as more "slider" like option for the user.

I want options. I'm so sick of this little kids game. I'm so sick of PG everything lately. WWE & NFL are my 2 favorite things and they are so PG its not even funny. I'm talking about the games and the sports/entertainment.

Options...Options...Options!!! If I wanna run a 60 team NFL league by expansion I should get to do so! IF I want to cut the roster size to only 24 players total on each team, I should get that option! I'm tired so my suggestions may seem strange so don't look into it too much. But everyone can use options that can be turned on or off. Give the casual gamer something else. Make a little kids NFL title again like Blitz or something. Madden should be sim and its so far off its not even funny.

[taboo102]

I have high hopes for Madden 12 because the slogan "True to the game" (I think that's what it was) is a lot more hopeful than last years slogan (which had the word "simpler" in it) I'm also hoping that NBA 2k11 was a wake up call to the Madden team that they are the only ones half-assing it, but I'm sure I'll be disappointed.

[Vikes1]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

Did you by chance play NCAA '11 or NHL '11? If so, then I don't see how anyone could call tuner sets a gimmick. Both games benefitted significantly from tuner sets over the course of the games life.

I agree 100% CB.

Tuner sets imo also, are certainly not a "gimmick".

I have no experience myself with the NCAA game. But have played NHL religiously for the last two years. And I agree that the tuner sets helped nicely, to refine NHL's game play. And it is a great benefit, to have the choice of tuners that you personally prefer. With NHL '11'...there are eight different tuners to chose from. So the variety of tuners is very welcome.

If done well...I think tuner sets will be a very nice addition to Madden '12'.

[guaps]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

I don't really see any of these as being features.

The tuner sets are essentially just a new and faster way for the developers to correct things they should have done in development - nice, but a bigger deal for EA than for the consumers, IMO.

Surprise onside kick is just a new addition to the playbook, which is hardly a feature by any means. That'll be like calling a play-action pass or a fleaflicker for a feature instead of a play.

Also what's the deal with limiting it to one time per game?? It that EA's new approach? "Sorry, but in Madden 12 you can only throw 14 deep balls per game and 7 times in the flats, otherwise people might exploit the game." I'd settle for some adaptive AI that recognizes that people are using "surprise" onside kicks--can't really call it a surprise if people use it once per game anyway.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

One man's junk is another man's treasure.

Tuner sets are huge for the consumer as well. If running backs are only avg 3.2 yds per carry across the board, tuner set time. I'm a big stat person and I respect everyone's opinion, but for me, the stat nut, this a huge feature.

Also, just because they release info in small amounts early on, doesn't mean there isn't something that looms larger, game play, presentation and franchise wise down the road.

Some people are trying to compare SOK's to what's behind door #1, door #2 and door #3. Pretty difficult to judge when there isn't anything to compare it with.

For example, it's much easier for me to look and compare franchise info in May and put it up against SOK's in early February.

[STLRams]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

I maybe wrong but the tuner sets just sounds like sliders to me? I've always hated how Madden doesn't have there sliders set up like the other sports game and don't seem to work like the other ones. IDK fellas, this is Madden hype train starting its engine and I just get tired of jumping aboard every year for this stuff. I just want to finally play a fun SIM football game with the feel of im watching a real NFL game in action. I get that feeling with basketball and baseball with NBA2K11 and MLB The show, I want this in NFL football.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Interview with Ian Cummings - SOK and Tuner Sets (ESPN The Gamer)

I maybe wrong but the tuner sets just sounds like sliders to me?

I agree that some sliders don't work, especially the penalty sliders. Maybe with these tuner sets, the penalty sliders will finally work the way they are suppose to work.

I do though only disagree with the above statement.

This is a sentence from Ian's halftime blog;

This isn't the only thing in the tuner sets obviously...we are in the process of moving as many items into these as possible, from gameplay tuning to franchise data to even presentation aspects.