MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

[Golds]

Absolutely 100% agree. Not a game killer but kind of annoying and again, it seems a little sloppy and this brings up a point.

I agree with Knight about being level headed however, to me, that also means that no matter how much you love the series you have to remove bias. We ALL know this is the best baseball game out there. SCEA fans know it, 2k fans know it, EA fans know it, my momma knows it...lol, but just because it is already highly regarded and acclaimed doesnt mean it should get a free pass.

Sometimes I think this game is its own worst enemy. The VAST majority of this game is so well done. Because of that, when you hear commetary like this and you see disjointed cut scenes that force you to play the game another way to avoid them, it really does make you scratch your head a little bit. I am sorry,I dont want to say it because I love the game and want it to be the best, but some things in the game look sloppy. I think they get overlooked or brushed aside alot because of the overall package but they are still there. Not only that, they arent game killers but at least the two things I mentioned here arent exactly minor either.

There are critical responses on here and some of them are a little over the top, but some of them are on the screws with regard to at least raising an eyebrow toward being concerned.

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

[jestep123]

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

Like I said before, some of the comments here are over the top.

The only thing being said here by me and other folks is that there were some legit issues with last years game, that were issues the year before and the year before that and so on. I for one, made it clear what I was talking about. I totally agree with you about the accessory things that people get all steamed about but, at least for now. in this thread, that isnt what we are talking about.

You can really see staunch defenders of this game throughout this thread. There is no problem with that, in normal circles, I am one of those. That said, you cant lump out of sequence cut scenes and average commentary in with obsessing about accessories and the right color socks and make everyone who has a point to make that may not be exactly what others want to hear, out ot be the same kind of crazy.

I dont think anyone has forgotten about that we are talking about video games, which outside of a disk case and instruction manual are not real life.

You know what else is real though? The time that you have to work to make the $65 to pay for the product. If Sony gave away free product, nobody on this board or any other would have the right to say a word, until that day comes though, even those crazy OCD'ers that complain about who has eye blak and who doesnt have a right to do so because we are talking about real money they are handing over.

[Black59Razr]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

Holding industry leaders accountable to produce impossible expectations is not fair? Probably not, but its what happens. Refusing to give a 10/10 score is not nice? Even though I may give 11 The Show a 9/10 score, I would still be willing to pay $300+ for the game. Will I thank them for making a great game? YES! Will I lower my future expectation, therefore slowing innovation? NO! So keep the posts coming about wrong sock colors. Those expectations are what fuel innovation!

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

I don't know if heat does or not.
Actually, I'm not sure what park effects are in place except for wind.


On the video and some of the posts.
There are the obvious posters who aren't interested in The Show and were just waiting for a gameplay vid to drop and were salivating to post on the commentary or anything they could grasp on negatively. It's expected....they are there(not the same guys in particular...but "that type") every single year.
Then you have the OCD guys.....who just HAVE TO focus on one thing and will never really be happy about it.
Then the "homers"....who would love anything.
Weed them out and listen to the level headed guys....and you'll have an idea of what this game is about.

The amount of complete B.S. and nonsense this year however really surprises me....hmmm...maybe not.

But...we're gonna need more WHAAAMBULANCES....STAT!

M.K.
Knight165

"Whaaambulances," "mouch" (half man, half couch!!! My personal favorite)...

I'm gonna start documenting your take on the English language. Soon enough, we'll have one pretty funny vernacular.

Knight-isms aside, I think there is a lot to get pumped about overall from this video. The improvements are very apparent from this clip (which is why I assume this video made the cut...it has infield/outfield miscues, a WGN pitching view, beautiful Wrigley, a strike out of the side, a final at-bat with the game on the line with Pujols at the dish)...but I really like your idea of the CPU vs. CPU footage. Though, I can understand how a video like that could alienate some potential or on the cusp buyers...the ones NEEDING to see the new controls in action.

I also don't think it's common knowledge, even amoungst hardcore fans, that ANYTHING the CPU can do, the Users can do...which they can.

[Razorblade]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

You'd think with it being ALMOST the same game as last year they would have added more Stats in the game since what they did do couldn't have taken a whole year...That's really the only thing I don't like about the show...but still will be looking to buy this game come march the 7th

[Pared]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

So keep the posts coming about wrong sock colors. Those expectations are what fuel innovation!

The irony in this is what makes me sad about our community.

[Rwings832]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

I think sometimes, especially the people on this forum, forget that we are talking about video games. The complaints and insane requests that are regularly found on these forums have somehow, at some point, become the guidelines or absolute requirements for games and developers to follow. The only game that would score a 10/10 rating on this site from all the "hardcore" or "sim" (I hate that word) gamers would involve...commentary including literally millions of lines of script so the same comment wouldnt be heard unless you play the game for 10 years; every shoe, cleat, arm band, head band, sock, sock length, and brace manufactured over the past 5 years; motion capture of every single baseball player by that player to represent the exact stance down to an inch; physics formulas to determine wind, moisture, heat, dirt particle contact..... to allow God-like programming for stadiums; and to sugar coat it, a B-job for buying the game.....

LOL...man that just made my day especially the last parts...the only thing I really have to say is that it looks really good, and I do think things flow a lot better...and the camera angles for each broadcasts teach makes it look just that much better as well.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

The irony in this is what makes me sad about our community.

I don't want to de-rail the thread, so this is all I will say about it.

Posters that harp on socks, stances, etc. are really only extremely active on this site a couple of months before/after release. I always wonder where these guys are around July/August? This is when their critiques could actually get some attention and be implemented into the next installment.

[Heroesandvillains]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

LOL...man that just made my day especially the last parts...the only thing I really have to say is that it looks really good, and I do think things flow a lot better...and the camera angles for each broadcasts teach makes it look just that much better as well.

The broadcast cams are what I'm practically the most excited about. I mean, 81 games with one camera and a handful of games with others should really seperate my home/road ERA. Whether or not this one of the intentions of the Devs for implementing this, I'm so excited to actually have a disadvantage on the road this year.

[jestep123]

The broadcast cams are what I'm practically the most excited about. I mean, 81 games with one camera and a handful of games with others should really seperate my home/road ERA. Whether or not this one of the intentions of the Devs for implementing this, I'm so excited to actually have a disadvantage on the road this year.

Hadnt thought of this, an additonal dissadvantage of playing on the road. It will be akin to having to get used to a new mound.

+1

[Razorblade]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

lol I can't believe what some people fuss about...Yeah I bring up Stats alot but it's a part of baseball that makes us remember the greats...But socks? come on man we sitting here talking about socks?

[42]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

I don't know if heat does or not.
Actually, I'm not sure what park effects are in place except for wind.

M.K.
Knight165

Brian chimed in on this last year:

Does the ball travel farther in Coors Field due to the thinner air? I know my geek meter is pegging, but I was wondering if you guys put in air resistance in your equations.

This does happen in high altitude stadiums like Coors, and the open desert stadiums in the minors (Turbine, Flagstone, etc..). The opposite effect isn't as big as this in sea level / cold stadiums.

One other thing you can see when in these stadiums is your pitch breaks are slightly lower. Your pitch speeds are slightly higher. This is visible in the pitch break indicator in 1P games.

[vinny_b]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

The video showed a game time temperature of 90 degrees. Has anyone seen anything about this effecting ball flight?

thanks for re-posting this. If you have time, try to copy/paste the entire question you asked.

btw, i've been asking for this gameplay addition, each of the past 5 years.


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[ckarlic]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

Kind of bored so I watched the video again and loved the lighting differences and how the shadows changed from the first inning to the 9th inning.

[vinny_b]

Re: MLB 11 The Show Video: St. Louis Cardinals vs. Chicago Cubs (Gameplay)

Posters that harp on socks, stances, etc. are really only extremely active on this site a couple of months before/after release. I always wonder where these guys are around July/August? This is when their critiques could actually get some attention and be implemented into the next installment.

to me these individuals should be posting in a different forum. In a land, far away. As they make a bad name for the rest of us who care about non-trivial matters and appreciate what SCEA does on an annual basis.

is 'MLB The Show' perfect? Not quite. However, at least the developer pays attention to their fanbase and strives very hard to improve the title, each year.

the criticisms regarding the appearance of Wrigley Field (earlier in this thread) are unfounded. And frankly an embarrassment.

thank you SCEA.


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