OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

[Peter_OS]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

To those saying that a gradual change from year to year is better than massive chancges. You're right but on the other side if you improve very few things then it starts to become a $60 roster update and thats something I never hope to see. As it is from my POV the RTTS changes are enough to justify my buying it, thats and the analog controls. But if you removed those two additions and said to someone 'hey pay $60 for last year's game with better player models, weather and better lighting' do you really think they would?

Thats the problem with having an excellent product, eventually you have to add in new features or change enough to justify people paying $60 for the game. Fortunately for the Show, we still have the commentary system and Franchise thats left for a redesign and so its not likely to become a $60 roster update anytime soon.

I do see your point here. Does the $60 price tag justify the changes made to the game this year?? Remember we get a baseball game every year.

[Knight165]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

I'm really disappointed with Major League Baseball.
I watched a game today(granted...Spring Training)...and it looked like a game I watched last year...and even the year before that!!!!
I guess I'm a little underwhelmed.
I was fully expecting something different. I mean c'mon...it's been over 100 years and it's basically the same.
A roundhouse kick to the runner rounding the base by the 1st basemen......
A cartwheel from the pitcher after a K...SOMETHING different.

Yes...I did it.

Square table is more like it! You guys are FIRED!


M.K.
Knight165

[JJT]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Some minor gameplay changes could make the game feel more new.

For example when you hit a foul ball, whats does this remind you of? Thats right, the show 10.

If they changed the animation for that and so forth, minor things but the game would feel more fresh this year.

[NYJin2009tm]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

I'm really disappointed with Major League Baseball.
I watched a game today(granted...Spring Training)...and it looked like a game I watched last year...and even the year before that!!!!
I guess I'm a little underwhelmed.
I was fully expecting something different. I mean c'mon...it's been over 100 years and it's basically the same.
A roundhouse kick to the runner rounding the base by the 1st basemen......
A cartwheel from the pitcher after a K...SOMETHING different.

Yes...I did it.

Square table is more like it! You guys are FIRED!


M.K.
Knight165

Lmao! Hilarious!

[Knight165]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Some minor gameplay changes could make the game feel more new.

For example when you hit a foul ball, whats does this remind you of? Thats right, the show 10.

If they changed the animation for that and so forth, minor things but the game would feel more fresh this year.

So you're saying that a foul ball hit in this years version should feel more like what??.....a fair ball?!...a strikeout?...a walk?
C'mon...give us a hint!

M.K.
Knight165

[JJT]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Dont know why the sarcasm, but ill try and make my point again.

The game of baseball has been the same for 100 years like you said and the show has that down great.

Its the presentation of the game that needs change. So different foul ball animations or when you hit a homerun, some different home run animations.

The game of baseball is down its the presentation of that game I and many others would like to see freshen up year to year and warrant $60 a year.

When you go to maybe 3 games a year, your paying the same price to go to the same game of baseball, but is the experience the same each game? No.

[Knight165]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Dont know why the sarcasm, but ill try and make my point again.

The game of baseball has been the same for 100 years like you said and the show has that down great.

Its the presentation of the game that needs change. So different foul ball animations or when you hit a homerun, some different home run animations.

The game of baseball is down its the presentation of that game I and many others would like to see freshen up year to year and warrant $60 a year.

When you go to maybe 3 games a year, your paying the same price to go to the same game of baseball, but is the experience the same each game? No.

No need to make the point again....I understood it perfectly the first time.
It's not the same...not even remotely the same.
There is simply no way to re-do everything year in and year out. You're focus on something that may or may not have been added to simply does not mean it's the same game as last year. I'm sorry. No way...no how.
The list of changes is quite extensive.
If you choose to look past them that's not a problem of the game.
I see that ....that is becoming the norm though. Unfortunate.

M.K.
Knight165

[JJT]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

There isnt a problem with the game, thats what I am saying. Its the presentation of said game. New player models, lighting and so forth is good for sure and should happen, but when I hit a foul ball and see the same thing ive seen 1700 times thats why people feel underwelmed as they so put it.

I am buying the game because of the changes to rtts, so I know the changes.

Just saying that if next year the game is presented the same way, people will be swayed to keep the game they already have, which some people will do this year.

The gameplay can stay the same, but present the game different to me.

[rudyjuly2]

I feel very much like Christian does. I thought I would be more impressed.

The Show's biggest competition is themselves. How do you outdo the previous year and still keep it fresh? The Show has been considered by many the pinnacle of all sports gaming without many problems. NCAA Football has a lot of issues so when they improve the game I'm excited despite the fact there may still be significant things I don't like. The Show doesn't really do anything wrong and like Chase said, if nobody had ever played the Show before they would be blown away. So how do you improve a game significantly when everyone already seems happy?

I think our enjoyment of a game is often influenced heavily by our expectations and these expectations may be influencing these opinions more than anything.

[Scottdau]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Great post Rudy as usual. I agree.

[winonastate03]

I was let down with the demo. Mainly with the fact that I have been seeing the same fielding animations for several years now. Outfield throws look weak and awkward at times. Way too many "girly" throws. Infielding animations are very outdated as well. I hit a chopper to short and the cpu charged it but stopped, planted and took a couple of hops before throwing. Clearly safe, and clearly not the right animation.

Analog controls do nothing for this game. I am not sure why the need to waste development time on this.

Improved scoreboards: ? didn't notice ANYTHING different.

Player Models: Look better, but do nothing as far as improving animations.

So what really changed? And was the whole year of development time used wisely, or is this game on a tight budget?

Do we need new members attending the community day? I guarantee the guys that attend every year will not talk bad about the game, thus not helping improve it.

And why is one guy's opinion attacked if it is not the acceptable opinion around here? JJT has some valid points with keeping the game fresh and should not be ridiculed for that.

I will play the demo more, but for now I am very underwelmed.

[travis72]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

I feel very much like Christian does. I thought I would be more impressed.

The Show's biggest competition is themselves. How do you outdo the previous year and still keep it fresh? The Show has been considered by many the pinnacle of all sports gaming without many problems. NCAA Football has a lot of issues so when they improve the game I'm excited despite the fact there may still be significant things I don't like. The Show doesn't really do anything wrong and like Chase said, if nobody had ever played the Show before they would be blown away. So how do you improve a game significantly when everyone already seems happy?

I think our enjoyment of a game is often influenced heavily by our expectations and these expectations may be influencing these opinions more than anything.

Excellent post! Other companies whether its the other baseball game made, basketball or football thatsmade each year they all have a lot to improve on. Where as The Show has very little to improve on to represent there sport to the fullest.

What you said about the Show being there biggest competition is right on. It seems more people compare it to what was done last year than comparing it to the competition which is a testament to just how good the Show is. I only buy the Show but i have yet to hear anyone say they have both and prefer the competions game. Oh I am sure there is some fool out there that would say that to get a rise out of someone on here but i highly doubt its a honest opinion of a overall sim.

[nemesis04]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Do we need new members attending the community day? I guarantee the guys that attend every year will not talk bad about the game, thus not helping improve it.

I think you are out of line here. You have no idea the type of effort we put into this game at CD. Just because we do not score keep in public the influences we have had on the game does not correlate into us not helping the game grow.

If you really knew you would feel pretty foolish about that statement.

[ripwalk]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

Analog controls do nothing for this game. I am not sure why the need to waste development time on this.

So what really changed? And was the whole year of development time used wisely, or is this game on a tight budget?

Analog controls do nothing for this game is a positively asinine comment, especially considering the vast numbers of people on this very board raving about all aspecfts of analog (pitching specifically).

Then you go into what really change and making random inferences about the budget of this game. Are you in any position to make assessments about the company's budget or how wisely they spent their development time?

[Knight165]

Re: OS Staff Roundtable - MLB '11: The Show Demo Impressions

I was let down with the demo. Mainly with the fact that I have been seeing the same fielding animations for several years now. Outfield throws look weak and awkward at times. Way too many "girly" throws. Infielding animations are very outdated as well. I hit a chopper to short and the cpu charged it but stopped, planted and took a couple of hops before throwing. Clearly safe, and clearly not the right animation.

Analog controls do nothing for this game. I am not sure why the need to waste development time on this.

Improved scoreboards: ? didn't notice ANYTHING different.

Player Models: Look better, but do nothing as far as improving animations.

So what really changed? And was the whole year of development time used wisely, or is this game on a tight budget?

Do we need new members attending the community day? I guarantee the guys that attend every year will not talk bad about the game, thus not helping improve it.

And why is one guy's opinion attacked if it is not the acceptable opinion around here? JJT has some valid points with keeping the game fresh and should not be ridiculed for that.

I will play the demo more, but for now I am very underwelmed.

It's not his ideas I ridiculed...but his ridiculous notion that because one element of the game didn't receive a major overhaul......it's "basically the same game as '10". So on your latter statement.....eeeeehhhhh....wrong.
There are thousands of animations in the game. More were added this year again.....Because all the old animations weren't tossed or redone there was no change? Inane.

The new controls do nothing for you..I hate to say it...but SO WHAT?
You can't see the scoreboards are vastly improved? Whhhhaaa? I think you just broke my B.S. meter.(actually....this entire post toasted my meter...thanks)

CD day guys...nothing "bad" to say?
Maybe not in the sense that some guys try and trash the game(methinks they don't really play this game...but I digress)....but I certainly have/do and will continue to say what is wrong with this game. I may choose to do it in a civil and constructive manner...but I do, do it.
Let's see....3 consecutive years of starting a "tips and WORK AROUNDS" thread(hint...a work around is to try and work around SOMETHING THAT IS WRONG IN THE GAME) might just qualify me as someone who doesn't shy away from calling attention to the fact that something may indeed be wrong with the game in a certain area.

Yeah...you're right on point with this post...

NEXT!

M.K.
Knight165