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  • kjcheezhead
    MVP
    • May 2009
    • 3118

    #76
    Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

    Originally posted by roadman
    Last time I checked there is still an exclusive license. As Rgiles stated, it's all speculation beyond that point.

    I really don't think EA and the NFL is looking at it the way you are. I don't think either party wants to risk that chance.

    Having the exclusive license, as Ryan said, is beneficial to both parties, even at much reduced rates.

    As you stated earlier, no one is making a NFL football game except for Madden in the near term. I'm agreeing with Ryan and taking it a step further and saying it will be a long time partnership.

    I see it like pastapadre see it.

    No matter where the most blame is placed by gamers when it comes to the NFL exclusive license, whether that be the league or EA Sports or an equal share, the extension of a year to the current contract and the manner it was negotiated could be telling. Based on each side's actions it appears


    EA has gotten all the benefits it needed at this point. Why pay to shut out a competitor that doesn't exist?

    Continuing to pay for an exclusive license is kinda like building that fence on the Mexican border. It costs an insane amount of money and no terrorists have ever crossed into the US from there anyways.

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    • roadman
      *ll St*r
      • Aug 2003
      • 26339

      #77
      Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

      Originally posted by kjcheezhead
      I see it like pastapadre see it.

      No matter where the most blame is placed by gamers when it comes to the NFL exclusive license, whether that be the league or EA Sports or an equal share, the extension of a year to the current contract and the manner it was negotiated could be telling. Based on each side's actions it appears


      EA has gotten all the benefits it needed at this point. Why pay to shut out a competitor that doesn't exist?

      Continuing to pay for an exclusive license is kinda like building that fence on the Mexican border. It costs an insane amount of money and no terrorists have ever crossed into the US from there anyways.
      Sorry, Pasta is not someone I put a lot of stock into.

      Why take that business risk that another developer could be waiting in the weeds. People were gung ho about six months from a reported website that 2k approached the NFL about the license.

      So, again, if that is true, why should EA take that business risk?

      Well, Pasta does agree that the NFL only operates with exclusives and won't open it up to other parties.
      Last edited by roadman; 02-22-2011, 06:53 PM.

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      • kjcheezhead
        MVP
        • May 2009
        • 3118

        #78
        Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

        Originally posted by tazdevil20
        Then again, all of this nonsense could be put to rest if EA put out a quality product worthy of our money.
        I purchased Madden 11 used and traded it in 3 weeks later. This version has taken the most heat from gamers I've seen in quite awhile. That said, the game still sold 5 million copies, so I don't think EA is overly concerned that their product is not up to our standards. In fact, in the last podcast they said they consider us "nitpickers".

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        • roadman
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          • Aug 2003
          • 26339

          #79
          Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

          Originally posted by kjcheezhead
          I purchased Madden 11 used and traded it in 3 weeks later. This version has taken the most heat from gamers I've seen in quite awhile. That said, the game still sold 5 million copies, so I don't think EA is overly concerned that their product is not up to our standards. In fact, in the last podcast they said they consider us "nitpickers".
          Do you have the link for that podcast? I haven't heard that podcast, yet.

          Thanks

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          • kjcheezhead
            MVP
            • May 2009
            • 3118

            #80
            Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

            Originally posted by roadman
            Sorry, Pasta is not someone I put a lot of stock into.

            Why take that business risk that another developer could be waiting in the weeds. People were gung ho about six months from a reported website that 2k approached the NFL about the license.

            So, again, if that is true, why should EA take that business risk?
            Who is gung ho? 1000 people on Operation Sports and a small bad of youtube "warriors". 2k's last attempt resulted in a game that ended in 100,000 copies. Backbreaker resulted in about the same. If people were so determined to see a new football game, they would've purchased thiose titles just to send a message to the NFL and EA how they feel.

            Why not take the risk? There is zero to fear.

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            • kjcheezhead
              MVP
              • May 2009
              • 3118

              #81
              Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

              Originally posted by roadman
              Do you have the link for that podcast? I haven't heard that podcast, yet.

              Thanks
              I don't. Sorry, but it was the one with Pasta actually.

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              • pietasterp
                All Star
                • Feb 2004
                • 6247

                #82
                Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                Why not take the risk? There is zero to fear.
                Except red ink and quarterly losses...

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                • roadman
                  *ll St*r
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 26339

                  #83
                  Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                  Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                  Who is gung ho? 1000 people on Operation Sports and a small bad of youtube "warriors". 2k's last attempt resulted in a game that ended in 100,000 copies. Backbreaker resulted in about the same. If people were so determined to see a new football game, they would've purchased thiose titles just to send a message to the NFL and EA how they feel.

                  Why not take the risk? There is zero to fear.
                  It was big talk around here and in the respective forum.

                  In business, you are always looking over your shoulder.

                  Nobody knows if there is 0 fear down the road if they don't partner with the NFl on a license.

                  No one will change my mind that the NFL and EA won't have a long term partnership for the foreseeable future.

                  If you don't feel that way , I'm not going to change anyone else's mind, either.

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                  • kjcheezhead
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 3118

                    #84
                    Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                    Originally posted by pietasterp
                    Except red ink and quarterly losses...
                    Lol, do you mean future quarterly losses or are you refering to these past few years?

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                    • LiquorLogic
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 712

                      #85
                      Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                      Originally posted by pietasterp
                      Except red ink and quarterly losses...
                      Maybe paying 9 figures in cash for an exclusive deal only to have sales remain flat and/or decrease has something to do with that ?

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                      • shyvoodoo
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 277

                        #86
                        Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                        Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                        I see it like pastapadre see it.

                        No matter where the most blame is placed by gamers when it comes to the NFL exclusive license, whether that be the league or EA Sports or an equal share, the extension of a year to the current contract and the manner it was negotiated could be telling. Based on each side's actions it appears


                        EA has gotten all the benefits it needed at this point. Why pay to shut out a competitor that doesn't exist?

                        Continuing to pay for an exclusive license is kinda like building that fence on the Mexican border. It costs an insane amount of money and no terrorists have ever crossed into the US from there anyways.
                        lLike the ole saying goes, dont count your chickens before they hatch.. There is enough hunger for another game just by reading these forums and believe me if another company , especially one like Sony or Microsoft feels they can compete and they can, they will make a NFL game. I believe though that the NFL are rabbits and go back to EA and tell them if they want to keep making Madden to sign another extension...

                        Starting to think that Roger Goodell is Vince McMahon's illegitimate son!!

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                        • rooney8
                          Pro
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 823

                          #87
                          Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                          What a well written article. Common sense, realism, no bias or agendas a rarity on the net.
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                          • steelersfan77
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2009
                            • 483

                            #88
                            Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                            Originally posted by tazdevil20
                            There are different types of innovation. Innovation doesn't always equate to a new idea. Innovation can be the augmentation of an existing idea or feature. For example, take football. You can innovate within the tackling mechanics. Does this mean you are simply adding the ability to make a tackle? No, of course not. That's already a core part of the game. However, you could incorporate multi hit tackles, proper gang tackling, different animations, etc. Other things like adding spectator modes for online play. Street Fighter 2 has this. How about progressive lighting? That was already in older games. Enhance the player interaction so that penalties are actually called. How about adding all of the real penalties that are in football. There are ways to innovate without taking big risk. It's the lack of polish that really gets EA's football the criticism. It does a lot of things, but nothing is done well. You get the feeling that it was hacked together with tape and band aids. Take the challenge system for example. I mean, I hate to say this, but do you ever wonder if the developers who own the code for that are scratching their head wondering how 2k was able to do it so incredibly accurately in their game? How 2k was able to have penalties like ineligible man downfield and illegal touching (when you go out of bounds and are the first person to touch the ball), progressive lighting, functioning online league websites that actually have useful content. How about proper DB/WR interaction innovation? Make it blow me away. There is absolutely nothing in Madden that will blow you away. Even their cut scenes are awful and out of context. The first thing you think of when you see a wrong cut scene is that this was done very lazily. It completely ruins the immersion of the game. Not to mention the embarrassment of having Chris Collinsworth call Gus Tom, completely showing they didn't even have the guys in the same room together. Really? I'm sorry, but that list I just gave is plenty enough to warrant lots of criticism.
                            I haven't even touched Madden in quite some time and after reading this I'm glad I haven't. I'm glad I'm not a buyer of Madden after reading this. Am I a fan of Madden? Nope. Am I ***** on Madden? Nope. I played Madden's on the last gen PS2 and loved those games. I don't think near as much was expected of those games because of the generation. With the systems that are put in place today this game should be well above where it is at. Is it money? No competition? Are game developers not given enough freedom to do what they want because higher-ups don't give that to them? Are the folks making this game not aware that there are more types of penalties in football that what are in this game? Do they not know how to incoporate code to allow this? Are they afraid of messing something else up at the cost of adding a feature? This game is stale and I simply get that from watching videos here at OS and youtube. I don't know what it is. I own a game from EA sports, NHL 11, and love it. I know it's not the company putting out a lame and stale *** game. Give me, the consumer, the owner of a friggin 65 dollar game better presentation, better gameplay, better, better, better. If I wanted less value for my buck I'll go watch a pirates game at PNC just down the road. Come on Madden, you're the only NFL game in town. Give me the best simulation game around. Thanks.

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                            • KBLover
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 12172

                              #89
                              Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                              Why does the NFL want just one company making NFL games?

                              MLB evidently doesn't have just one company making baseball games. There's All Pro and The Show at the minimum (I believe OOTP uses real players/teams by default these days)

                              So why wouldn't the NFL want more people paying them for right to use NFL images, teams, etc? Wouldn't that mean more money?

                              I mean if Backbreaker or some other company comes up with a game that does capture the attention of Madden fans and has some sales success - wouldn't the NFL want that company also paying them for rights?

                              Then if in some fantasy fairy land I came up with a FB game that was awesome - now there's Madden, Backbreaker, and Knuckleball Lover Football. (Hey, KLF!! LOL). Wouldn't NFL want all of us paying them for rights, not just EA? I mean, why not bleed EA and getting money from two other companies?
                              Last edited by KBLover; 02-28-2011, 05:49 PM.
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                              • roadman
                                *ll St*r
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 26339

                                #90
                                Re: Why the NFL’s Labor Strife Might Be the Best Thing That Happened to Madden (Kotak

                                Originally posted by KBLover
                                Why does the NFL want just one company making NFL games?

                                MLB evidently doesn't have just one company making baseball games. There's All Pro and The Show at the minimum (I believe OOTP uses real players/teams by default these days)

                                So why wouldn't the NFL want more people paying them for right to use NFL images, teams, etc? Wouldn't that mean more money?
                                No, not at all. The NFL loves exclusives.

                                EA paid around $400 million for the right for the license. At that time, that was more money than multiple companies vying for the same license. If you look through this thread, there might be a post from an ex-EA employee explaining the breakdown.

                                Not this thread, but this one.

                                Post #339.

                                http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042125500
                                Last edited by roadman; 02-28-2011, 05:56 PM.

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