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Quote: Originally Posted by jd369

And I dont think hamels is a scrub, but he is not an ace, he is a slightly above average pitcher, so this whole "4 aces" thing is a crock. I could tag the braves with the same title if I was as dilusional as some of the phils fans that I read posts on, but I know the braves dont have anywhere close to 4 aces. they do have an excellent pitching staff though, so the "4 aces" fans shouldnt expect to run away with the division this year.

I think Hamels is a bit more than a slightly better than average pitcher. He is not an ace by any stretch but 80% of teams would love to have him as their #2 let alone their #4. I think that Philly fans are going to miss Werth far more than they think they are. Having that right handed power bat hitting just under .300 and right around 100 RBIs protecting left handed Howard and Utley was a big component of their offense.