Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Civil posts seem to disappear over there for no reason.

BS...

[kerosene31]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

The official EA forums are a train wreck. There's a reason sites like operationsports exist, so that reasonable people can come and have an intelligent discussion. As a general rule I avoid any and all "official" forums because they are usually a giant mess.

[DivotMaker]

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LOL I honestly thought that not even you could defend EA on this bonehead design decision but you found a way. You would have to play this game 24\7 to remember elevations of every hole for all the courses or have to write them all own. You gotta be kidding me. They should be easily provided like every other golf game I've played. And the reason it isn't is because EA wants you to use the caddie exclusively and just be brain dead when you play.

And what's the excuse about giving us an easy indicator of flag distance so we don't have to go leaf thru the hole overview to try and figure out. Making it incredibly user unfriendly does not make it sim.

The aiming arrow I don't care about and am not complaining about that.

Yeah sure you could go to club tuner and write down your distances on a piece of paper but why should we have to? And what about when you're building your golfer with XP and adding distance to the clubs regularly? You have to rewrite the distances almost daily. That's alot of paper and completely idiotic.

No matter how you try and defend it, it is simply an unfinished mode that obviously got little attention and no regard how good true aim was last year and thought it needed to be dumbed down with a caddie for some inane reason. If EA was so sim about this then they should have gave us the options to recreate last year true aim which I have faint hope of happening.

Why not keep it the same as last year and not give the stupid %'s which is arcadey no matter how you slice it. What real life golfer goes by %'s of his swing when playing. It becomes a game of try and swing the right % rather than full swings with lesser clubs trying to figure out carrying distances that are not given.

And not to mention the overview camera with the LS that gives you a look at where your ball is supposed to land. It is lightning quick and you have no chance to see any real estate prior to where the ball lands and if you reverse from there with the D pad then you can't see trees or any other obstruction on the fairway. That will make some courses unplayable unless you use the caddie the whole time. No matter how you slice it the true aim mode was meant to be played 100% with caddie recommendations and that's why you won't be able to turn it off completely in the full version. It's hard coded into the game. And you just swinging the stick and doing no strategizing = arcade golf.

I'm not defending anything. I am stating my opinion without criticizing YOU or others who agree with you. I see things differently so far, but excuse the hell out of me for not agreeing with you.

[DivotMaker]

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The official EA forums are a train wreck. There's a reason sites like operationsports exist, so that reasonable people can come and have an intelligent discussion. As a general rule I avoid any and all "official" forums because they are usually a giant mess.

Sorry, but the TW forums are not. And quite frankly, while a Dev "might" pop in here from time to time, the entire Dev Team are reading the feedback in the EA Tiger forums. If you truly want your criticisms heard, you need to post there. If not, c'est la vie.....

[kerosene31]

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I know for a fact the NHL devs come here. Why not TW?

But as I said before, the game release is coming soon and all of this is moot anyway. Anything any of us say isn't going to change the final release of the game.

[DivotMaker]

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I know for a fact the NHL devs come here. Why not TW?

But as I said before, the game release is coming soon and all of this is moot anyway. Anything any of us say isn't going to change the final release of the game.

I have never seen any of the TW Dev Team post here.

And you would be surprised at what impact the feedback on the game has on the EA Tiger forums.....trust me, I have been there for 10+ years and the past several years, the community has had a big hand in new features as well as changes to the game after shipping. I do not expect this to change with TW12 as they need this game to do really well considering 11 did not do all that well.

[rolltide1017]

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You know, this is not what I had in mind when I wished for caddies to be in the game all, these years. I guess all I really wanted was something like the referees in NCAA. Something that just added to the presentation of the game, just seeing a caddie standing next to you on the course. Never wanted some AI to do all the thinking for you.

The problem with the EA forum is that the devs don't seem to want to respond to these issues. Oh, they answer other questions but seem to ignore the 2 big issues most people have, the caddie and true-aim. Their silence speaks volumes IMO, I think it means we are stuck with it being pretty much how it is in the demo. If not, don't you think a dev would have been quick to say something like "fear not guys, you can completely disable the caddie and enable pin distances in true-aim in the full game." I mean why continue to let your community get all worked up if the retail version solves the issues? There silence tells us all we need to know.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I popped in TW11 and I haven't plyed it for awhile but just realized that even the aiming system in true aim with TW12 has changed markedly. With TW11 you would have a view of where you want to land but it wasn't dependent on what club you chose. For example even if you picked a wedge off the tee, you could still scroll down the fairway to find the yardage markers and then decide what club you wanted to hit with. In other words the scroll down view wouldn't go closer or farther as you changed clubs to decide what to hit. The club selection was totally up to you and your aiming marker was independent of that. It made you study the course and make the appropriate club selection which made it so damn good and connected to the gameplay.

With TW 12 when you aim the view changes as you change clubs like in previous TW games when it was arcadey. You pick a 4 iron and the aiming marker gives you the exact spot it will land in normal conditions, You change to a 3 iron and the view will go that much farther for that club showing where that 3 iron would land. This is exactly the way it was before true aim was introduced so basically they threw the true aim feature totally out the window and is there only for esthetic reasons. In view only. Even without the caddie it still woudn't be the same as last year because of the aiming marker.

Obviously this was done to solely accommodate the caddie feature. So they basically dumped true aim for a caddie. So there is basically 0% chance this can be patched and no chance we will get the TW11 true aim gameplay and 0% chance the caddie can be completely disabled.

The TW franchise has done some stupid things but this redesign has got to be one of the stupidest video game development decisions of all time.

I'm in awe of how dumb the devs are. Bravo.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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You know, this is not what I had in mind when I wished for caddies to be in the game all, these years. I guess all I really wanted was something like the referees in NCAA. Something that just added to the presentation of the game, just seeing a caddie standing next to you on the course. Never wanted some AI to do all the thinking for you.

The problem with the EA forum is that the devs don't seem to want to respond to these issues. Oh, they answer other questions but seem to ignore the 2 big issues most people have, the caddie and true-aim. Their silence speaks volumes IMO, I think it means we are stuck with it being pretty much how it is in the demo. If not, don't you think a dev would have been quick to say something like "fear not guys, you can completely disable the caddie and enable pin distances in true-aim in the full game." I mean why continue to let your community get all worked up if the retail version solves the issues? There silence tells us all we need to know.

This is the closest we got so far from anybody at EA regarding the game's new features. It was a part of a thread they made that said people were overreacting.

"I'm not going to get into an argument over this, but I will offer my sincere advice. Not only should you wait to draw conclusions until the game comes out, you should give it a good bit of time feeling it out. I think you will be surprised how some of the new features play out once you've had time to explore them more deeply and see how they actually play out in p2p matches, career mode, and online tournaments.

I'm not saying not to offer your opinions on the demo, quite the contrary. Rather try not to act like your mother died over the newness or appearant strangeness of a new feature. Give it time to see how it plays out once you get the game. I've seen it happen year after year, things that appear awful in the demo end up being really good and other things that nobody even notices at this point end up being the real issues needing fixes."

So basically they seem to be saying "love it or leave it". If they went to the trouble of making this statement today and not making a statement telling us you can turn caddies off or restore TW11's true aim then there's nothing else to be said. Of course in the 2nd paragraph he says make your decision "once you get the game". I'm responding to that with my wallet and that's a big fat "NO".

[supermanemblem]

Well this is what happens when too many people beg for more innovation. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Jordanfan23]

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Nervously downloading the demo. I was so set on this game after playing TW10 silly and if this caddie noise is true, it is a disaster! Especially now that Augusta is FINALLY in a golf game! EA has come so far with this series too, making it much more sim like. They need to stop catering to these pre-teen, no gaming skilled, spoiled kids!!!

[yesrushdt]

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BS...

Make assumptions much? I made a perfectly civil post there yesterday afternoon(responding to a tip Christian Brandt gave me on selecting shot types) at around 12:30 and 30 minutes later it was gone. It could have been a forum glitch, who knows. All I'm saying it is gone and that's no BS.

[The Bimmer]

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I played more TW11 then any golf game ever, and this was because of the true aim feature. The demo didnt seem to let me do this though. I have pre-orded the game because the career mode had me sold, but if I cant play TW12 with true aim exactly like in TW11, I will cancel the order.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Make assumptions much? I made a perfectly civil post there yesterday afternoon(responding to a tip Christian Brandt gave me on selecting shot types) at around 12:30 and 30 minutes later it was gone. It could have been a forum glitch, who knows. All I'm saying it is gone and that's no BS.

No, i make NO assumptions seeing as how I am a Moderator for the TW forums....the forum software is poor, but if you posted what you said you did without violating TOS, then it should still be viewable.

[DivotMaker]

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So basically they seem to be saying "love it or leave it". If they went to the trouble of making this statement today and not making a statement telling us you can turn caddies off or restore TW11's true aim then there's nothing else to be said. Of course in the 2nd paragraph he says make your decision "once you get the game". I'm responding to that with my wallet and that's a big fat "NO".

No, again you are mistaken. Oblong is a Moderator and not an EA employee. He posted his own personal comments and opinions which he is free to post just as you are. There is a thread there started by Smirnoff Blue regarding the aiming and elevations and caddy that indicates he is starting to understand the design decisions and how the features work. I also agree with him that the caddy needs to be user-selectable and the rumble should be turned off in TOURNAMENT mode.