Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

[Millennium]

I don't think anyone is arguing her popularity (also, it was smart of them to pit her against the WWE's most over heel). No one is arguing that it doesn't make good business sense either. I think OS is a very large minority of wrestling fan. People in the arenas also boo the Miz and Punk. Legit heat. That doesn't mean that I can't as a fan cheer for those two individuals. The fans loved seeing Lawler in the title hunt. That doesn't mean that I as a fan can not want to see him in a main event match. Everyone can agree that it's good for business, but when it comes to what each of us would like to see individually... different strokes. There really is no "right or wrong". Labels need not apply in this case.

Not right or wrong. But it really entertains me to see the mob mentality when one person takes a shot across th bow.



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Re: Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

WWE gets the 'star' of Jersey Shore. TNA gets...the other people?

WWE puts Snooki around Trish Stratus, LayCool, Dolph Ziggler and John Morrison (all who obviously will drive the match). TNA surrounds J-Woww/Angelina with the Beautiful People, Sarita, and Cookie.

TNA has Angelina call out J-Woww on Impact. This makes no sense. Why would they not just fight on Jersey Shore? They come to TNA to settle their differences? WTF? ...it also would've made 100x more sense if Snooki came to confront Cookie; instead of J-Woww.

I'm not going to say Snooki was on my 'dream' WM card for this year, but I'm not bothered by it at all.

Not that specifically. All their celeb attempts.

[SmashMan]

Re: Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

Not that specifically. All their celeb attempts.

Their being WWE or TNA? Actually, doesn't matter because I'm not arguing 'for' the use of any of them.

I just see it like this: when WWE gets a celebrity, it's usually someone moderately well-known and they're often relegated to auxiliary roles. When TNA gets a celebrity, they're usually B- or C-list, at best. They get involved in short-term angles (for the media highlights) that then have no resolution. If TNA involved their celebrities more in a WWE way, I wouldn't have as much of a problem.

Just going by most recent (both happen to be Jersey Shore)...WWE has Snooki as 'guest star' of Raw. She gets provoked, fights back, and is eventually challenged to be part of a match. TNA has J-Woww appear to confront Cookie (still makes no sense to me. Should've been Snooki & Cookie). They have an altercation. Several weeks later, Angelina from Jersey Shore arrives with Cookie to challenge Beautiful People and J-Woww. J-Woww hasn't appeared since, and no match is on the horizon. (Again, why wouldn't Angelina and J-Woww just argue on Jersey Shore? It just lacks common sense. I don't watch, but assume both are still on the show.)

I know you're not arguing for any use of celebrities; I just wanted to say my piece on them in wrestling.

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Side note...I'm starting to get excited about Raw on the 28th. Nowadays I don't get excited until I'm actually at the arena, but I have to assume Rock will be at the show before WM. I secretly hope for a Rock & Cena face-to-face similar to Rock-Hogan because they'll be in the same arena; though this would be interrupted by Miz to preserve the big Rock/Cena confrontation for WM. Wishful thinking, I'm sure. Advertised dark match is: Cena, Orton, HHH, and Edge vs. Miz, Del Rio, Punk, and Wade Barrett...so that should be cool.

[rangerrick012]

Re: Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

Nah, you and I are on the same wavelength about the sensationalism that goes on (here and other places). I even wrote an article on it. From a business perspective it makes sense to cater to the casual fans (i.e. Snooki) because the people who are up in arms about it to the point that they are "done with wrestling" or think that it's "the biggest travesty ever" are going to be the first people to buy the PPV and pre-order it on Blu-Ray. So I feel you. I was just defending myself (and any other OSers who sort of think like me) and saying that I am not one of those people. I actually love the WWE and the second it stops being enjoyable, I'll stop. Some act like it's torture at times and yet watch it every week, devote time to comment on it, and buy all the merchandise. I think that's what you were getting at?

That is what I was getting at. Again, not calling out anyone in particular, b/c I do the same thing at times and have stopped watching for periods where the product just didn't hold my interest (Summer 07-mid 08 was probably the last time I took an extended break from the product).

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Re: Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

Rick,

There are two ways to look at the product and any decision the WWE makes (who should be pushed, who should turn, what storylines are good, etc.). One, is to look at the product from a business perspective (overness, buyrates, ratings, etc.)

Then there's looking at decisions and judging them by what we as fans would like to see, and conversely, what we have no interest in seeing. I used to be just like you, preaching the former, and calling everyone who didn't see that keeping Cena face is just good business sense "internet snobs" (though I probably wasn't that harsh). I think I realized that I have no stock in the WWE and thus, it doesn't really matter to me if they get more buys putting Snooki on the card. I can respect it, but I don't have to like it. I'm not going to see any of that extra money.

However, there is this rare middle ground that few people tread where you can like something that's bad for business or hate something that's good for business because you're a fan. I'm not talking about the guys who think that everything the WWE does is crap but are the most loyal viewers. Or on the other end, preach that everything the WWE does is great even if you know damn well you don't wanna see it.

Here are some examples of business and personal feelings that I have that contradict, but I can accept both.

Rey Mysterio is an awesome worker and very underrated (business), but I hate him and the way he is booked (personal)

Alberto Del Rio probably shouldn't win at Mania and will most likely end up going the Swagger/Sheamus route if he does (business), but I will mark like crazy if he does win as he is a top 3 favorite of mine (personal).

Snooki at Wrestlemania is smart business and will increase buyrates (business), but I can't stand the troll and have no desire to see her, or any mixed tag match for that matter at the PPV (personal).

PG makes the product more accessible to families and broadens the WWE audience. It's also a safer play as they have no real competition (business), but I like my programming edgier and think some of what is put out under the PG banner is corny as hell (personal).

I maintain that turning Cena heel would be good for business and for me as a fan, but I digress there as I've already spoken at length about it.

Whether you stick to one side or another it's still a limited view either way. Labeling the other side as snobby or stubborn or whatever doesn't really change anything.

This post pretty much sums up exactly how I feel as well.

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Their being WWE or TNA? Actually, doesn't matter because I'm not arguing 'for' the use of any of them.

I just see it like this: when WWE gets a celebrity, it's usually someone moderately well-known and they're often relegated to auxiliary roles. When TNA gets a celebrity, they're usually B- or C-list, at best. They get involved in short-term angles (for the media highlights) that then have no resolution. If TNA involved their celebrities more in a WWE way, I wouldn't have as much of a problem.

Just going by most recent (both happen to be Jersey Shore)...WWE has Snooki as 'guest star' of Raw. She gets provoked, fights back, and is eventually challenged to be part of a match. TNA has J-Woww appear to confront Cookie (still makes no sense to me. Should've been Snooki & Cookie). They have an altercation. Several weeks later, Angelina from Jersey Shore arrives with Cookie to challenge Beautiful People and J-Woww. J-Woww hasn't appeared since, and no match is on the horizon. (Again, why wouldn't Angelina and J-Woww just argue on Jersey Shore? It just lacks common sense. I don't watch, but assume both are still on the show.)

I know you're not arguing for any use of celebrities; I just wanted to say my piece on them in wrestling.

TNA. Their most recent was actually Bart Scott I believe. Doesn't increase much for WWE either for that matter. Did LT main eventing WM help much?

[Other Guy]

Re: Monday Night Raw 3/14/11: Did it all for the Snooki!

Ok, so a buddy of mine and I came up with an idea of throwing a Wrestlemania party with a bunch of friends, and everyone has to dress as a wrestler past/present. Someone just gimme an idea for a heavier set, but not like huge, wrestler, with buzzed hair, and a goatee or beard

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