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  • Timathie
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    • Sep 2002
    • 358

    #61
    Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

    Originally posted by TheGame8544
    Um, dude, Melo has been one of the best rebounding SF in the entire league. I don't like the guy, but to call him a poor rebounder or say he doesn't rebound well is a bit foolish. Really, the only SF that are better rebounders are Lebron, Gerald Wallace, and maybe Durant.

    As far as his shooting, he has never been a very good "close" shooter but since the trade to NY, he has been spectacular at the rim shooting 63%. He is also a VERY GOOD mid-range shooter and has maintained that title shooting 43% with Denver and 38% with NY. He is also an ok 3pt shooter as he is currently shooting 42% but only 33% with Denver, 32% last year, but 37% two years ago.
    Melo is ranked 35 (Ranked 28 if you count same stat as one spot.) out of all the forwards in the league with 9.8 rebounds per 40 min.

    Melo is ranked 64 (Ranked 43 if you count same stat as one spot.) out of all players in the league per 40.

    Straight from NBA.com stats page.
    Last edited by Timathie; 03-21-2011, 12:44 PM.

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    • Giants4Natic
      Banned
      • Oct 2010
      • 2475

      #62
      Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

      Originally posted by steed
      So I should raise melo and stoudemire just to give them the "star" role ? I know you're a NY fan but you should be a bit more relalistic. STAT and MELO are poor defensive players, Melo doesn't rebouding well despite his size and body and he doesn't shoot the ball well this season. STAT doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll and has a good overall rating because he is athletic, it's the same for Blake Griffin.

      Now you can boost these players and give them ratings they don't deserve.

      People always complaining about rosters, ratings or rotations but they are free to do all the changes they want and it takes only a few minutes to do it.

      I never said you were right or wrong. But if you read our reason behind keeping him at 88 or 87 is due to the fact that in franchise mode he is not given the star treatment and the you can trade for him and get back garbage

      That is not the way it works.

      He is an 87 or 86 in your file but on 88 he is harder to deal with like it should be.

      No need to get all bent out of shape about it.

      He might not be a great player to you but he is not a bad player and is one of the most complete offensive players in the game.

      Averages 7-8 bounds per game at a small forward position. Not bad at all

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      • MikeJ2021
        Rookie
        • Oct 2007
        • 215

        #63
        Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

        Originally posted by steed
        The only way to reach an 88 overall rating for Melo is to give him more than 70 on defensive awarness. Does he deserve more than 70 ? I don't think so.
        Not true. In our roster his Def. Awarness is 70. Speed and quickness is 83 and 86. Consistency is 90 (which is right considering some say he is the most consistent and best scorer in the game)

        Originally posted by rugged0shrew
        Quick question. Have the Potential ratings been touched? I'll admit I sim more of a season then I play so I can get 4-5 seasons in. I'd hate to see this great roster set be the victim of inflation 2 years in.
        Oh and thanks for all the work guys! It is much appreciated!
        Potential has been edited.

        Originally posted by Giants4Natic
        I never said you were right or wrong. But if you read our reason behind keeping him at 88 or 87 is due to the fact that in franchise mode he is not given the star treatment and the you can trade for him and get back garbage

        That is not the way it works.

        He is an 87 or 86 in your file but on 88 he is harder to deal with like it should be.

        No need to get all bent out of shape about it.

        He might not be a great player to you but he is not a bad player and is one of the most complete offensive players in the game.

        Averages 7-8 bounds per game at a small forward position. Not bad at all
        This and what Game said is exactly why he is rated a 88. Overall ratings is a touchy subject so I try not to argue too much about it. For every reason a person may have that Melo sucks, I can give you another reason why Melo is the best scorer in the NBA. If a person says Stat is a poor defensive player and similar to Blake, I can say that Stat is a good help defender and is on a different level than Blake.

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        • wrestlinggod1
          MVP
          • Jan 2008
          • 2493

          #64
          Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

          The only problem I have with this roster is the high shooting ratings. Lebron is not an 80 in 3-point shooting, D. Wade is not a 75, and CB is not a 70. There is a 25-99 point scale and I feel like it isn't being used. Besides that, great roster.
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          • Giants4Natic
            Banned
            • Oct 2010
            • 2475

            #65
            Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

            Originally posted by wrestlinggod1
            The only problem I have with this roster is the high shooting ratings. Lebron is not an 80 in 3-point shooting, D. Wade is not a 75, and CB is not a 70. There is a 25-99 point scale and I feel like it isn't being used. Besides that, great roster.
            But can you keep the overall ratings high enough to not hurt franchise trading values

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            • TheGame8544
              MVP
              • Jul 2003
              • 1656

              #66
              Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

              Originally posted by steed
              Did you really read what I wrote ? I said he doesn't rebound well "for his size and body". He is good rebounding player for sure but he could be better, he is just lazy, and you sould be blind to not see that. He doesn't care about defense contrary to the players you mentioned.
              Fair enough. But he isn't any bigger than the guys I mentioned, and he rebounds almost as well as they do. So I fail to see your point.

              Originally posted by steed
              The only way to reach an 88 overall rating for Melo is to give him more than 70 on defensive awarness. Does he deserve more than 70 ? I don't think so.
              Then lower his hustle rating. I doubt his awareness is what suffers. But whatever man. We are all entitled to our opinions and as you say, all anyone needs to do if they disagree is change the rating. I'm not going to argue with you over an overall rating.

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              • TheGame8544
                MVP
                • Jul 2003
                • 1656

                #67
                Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                Originally posted by Timathie
                Melo is ranked 35 (Ranked 28 if you count same stat as one spot.) out of all the forwards in the league with 9.8 rebounds per 40 min.

                Melo is ranked 64 (Ranked 43 if you count same stat as one spot.) out of all players in the league per 40.

                Straight from NBA.com stats page.
                Look at SFs smart guy. Here is a link to help. http://www.hoopdata.com/regstats.asp...11&gp=0&mins=0

                And per 40 min stats are pretty worthless IMO. But I will play. Based on per 40 min, Melo is ranked 10th among SFs. But to further my point that per 40 min stats are worthless, Steve Novak is ranked number 1, Dominic McGuire 2, and Ronald Dupree 3. Yeah....

                If we base our ranking on players that have actually played 20+ games and 20+min/game, then Melo is ranked third among SFs.
                Last edited by TheGame8544; 03-21-2011, 03:21 PM.

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                • wrestlinggod1
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 2493

                  #68
                  Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                  Originally posted by Giants4Natic
                  But can you keep the overall ratings high enough to not hurt franchise trading values
                  If the overalls are THAT important, then just edit something else. I'm not complain, I really enjoy the roster. But I was just saying how I felt because with he ratings the way they are, I can constantly knock down contested threes with Lebron and D. Wade.
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                  • cdfeezy
                    Rookie
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 159

                    #69
                    Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                    Originally posted by wrestlinggod1
                    The only problem I have with this roster is the high shooting ratings. Lebron is not an 80 in 3-point shooting, D. Wade is not a 75, and CB is not a 70. There is a 25-99 point scale and I feel like it isn't being used. Besides that, great roster.

                    How is that so?
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                    • TheGame8544
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 1656

                      #70
                      Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                      Originally posted by wrestlinggod1
                      The only problem I have with this roster is the high shooting ratings. Lebron is not an 80 in 3-point shooting, D. Wade is not a 75, and CB is not a 70. There is a 25-99 point scale and I feel like it isn't being used. Besides that, great roster.
                      Originally posted by Giants4Natic
                      But can you keep the overall ratings high enough to not hurt franchise trading values
                      Yes. Editing the 3pt ratings is definitely something that needs to be done. Far too many high ratings in that category based simply on this season. Every year, there are players that have breakout seasons in a particular category that never achieve the same kind of greatness again. This is why past history (the last few years) must be taken into account, IMO.

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                      • cdfeezy
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 159

                        #71
                        Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                        Honestly I think the 3pt ratings are good for the most part.

                        I play on real 3pt % and also adjust sliders/difficulty

                        That factor helps a lot in game. I don't believe in shot-stick timing as it doesn't really reflect the players ratings as well but more their sig shot.

                        LeBron at 80 isn't even high if you watch Heat or old Cavs games you can see that he knocks his fair share of 3s down. 80 is in the lower part of the upper quartile of the scale of 25-99. I feel that is a good place to have him if you ask me. He hits a good amount of 3s throughout the season and unless you guys are playing on ridiculous slider settings. An 80 Rating still gets a lot of misses, even some wide wide wide open ones.
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                        • Giants4Natic
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 2475

                          #72
                          Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                          Can anybody provide the 3pt ratings and rebound ratings that should be used and I can enter them quickly

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                          • TheGame8544
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1656

                            #73
                            Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                            Originally posted by cdfeezy
                            Honestly I think the 3pt ratings are good for the most part.

                            I play on real 3pt % and also adjust sliders/difficulty

                            That factor helps a lot in game. I don't believe in shot-stick timing as it doesn't really reflect the players ratings as well but more their sig shot.

                            LeBron at 80 isn't even high if you watch Heat or old Cavs games you can see that he knocks his fair share of 3s down. 80 is in the lower part of the upper quartile of the scale of 25-99. I feel that is a good place to have him if you ask me. He hits a good amount of 3s throughout the season and unless you guys are playing on ridiculous slider settings. An 80 Rating still gets a lot of misses, even some wide wide wide open ones.
                            Lebron is a career 33% 3pt shooter. Do a sim and watch as Lebron averages close to 40% with that 80 3pt rating.

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                            • wrestlinggod1
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 2493

                              #74
                              Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                              Originally posted by Giants4Natic
                              Can anybody provide the 3pt ratings and rebound ratings that should be used and I can enter them quickly
                              Well you can leave them how you want, I'm still gonna use the roster. But in my opinion, they should all get a comb over and be lowered.
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                              • Giants4Natic
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2010
                                • 2475

                                #75
                                Re: OS Collaboration Roster Project with major editions

                                Originally posted by cdfeezy
                                Honestly I think the 3pt ratings are good for the most part.

                                I play on real 3pt % and also adjust sliders/difficulty

                                That factor helps a lot in game. I don't believe in shot-stick timing as it doesn't really reflect the players ratings as well but more their sig shot.

                                LeBron at 80 isn't even high if you watch Heat or old Cavs games you can see that he knocks his fair share of 3s down. 80 is in the lower part of the upper quartile of the scale of 25-99. I feel that is a good place to have him if you ask me. He hits a good amount of 3s throughout the season and unless you guys are playing on ridiculous slider settings. An 80 Rating still gets a lot of misses, even some wide wide wide open ones.
                                Thing is that I cannot play any game with shot stick percentages.

                                I need to be able to feel that I have the ability to say I can play the game.

                                To me the ratings of the player should make it

                                A. Easier to hit shots with the stick if I get a good time release

                                B. Find it harder to get a good time release due to the window being narrowed for getting the stick released correctly.

                                Realistic % just means that the game will script the shots that go in just to come up with the percentage that player makes a game.

                                I can't mess with a video game like that.

                                I am not going to dominate with a 60 rated player no matter how good I am at the game because the ratings for said player is going to make it hard for me to get good shot release.

                                If the player is rated 90 then It will be easier to score with said player.

                                I need to feel that I am playing and not just going through the motions and getting stats based on scripting

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