Legacy Mode Wishlist/Suggestions

[fistofrage]

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So your theory is that you actually gain power by losing weight ? Okay, complex! I won't even waste my time countering with a witty comeback even though you tried to imsult my intelligence.

It really depends. I've seen it go both ways. Pac seems to have gained power, so does Sergio Martinez, but I've seen plenty of fighters lose power by going up in weight. Look at the Mexican fighters, they tried to get the big money by moving up in weight classes and their power punches had little effect at the higher weights.

Paul Williams is another one, I don't think he has the power at middleweight that he did at welterweight.


Basically, I think Pac and Martinez just got better training and became better boxers where as others that I have seen jump up in weight, their power probably remained roughly the same, but their speed was compromised to some degree and they didn't have the pop to take out fighters in the higher weight classes.

[Po Pimp]

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Timelines. Be able to start a career in different periods. For example, 1960's/1970's. You will run into an Ali, Frazier, and Foreman when they are in their prime.

This was actually in FNR2. Why they took it out, WHO KNOWS!

While we're at it, I'm sure someone mentioned it already, but fighters need to start off with better physical attributes. Mike Tyson was not weak when he started off. He knocked out every cookie cutter opponent in the 1st round. The DIFFICULTY of his opponents increased as he rose in the ranks.

This also ties into the above point. Lets say I pick Tyson in Legacy Mode...among his contemporaries were Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. I don't want to dismantle all my opponents and watch Lewis and Holyfield struggle...they should be destroying the competition as well to set up potential matches with me.

[fistofrage]

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This was actually in FNR2. Why they took it out, WHO KNOWS!

While we're at it, I'm sure someone mentioned it already, but fighters need to start off with better physical attributes. Mike Tyson was not weak when he started off. He knocked out every cookie cutter opponent in the 1st round. The DIFFICULTY of his opponents increased as he rose in the ranks.

This also ties into the above point. Lets say I pick Tyson in Legacy Mode...among his contemporaries were Lennox Lewis and Evander Holyfield. I don't want to dismantle all my opponents and watch Lewis and Holyfield struggle...they should be destroying the competition as well to set up potential matches with me.

Yes, that has to be the biggest change they need to make. They need to have 200+ boxers per each rank and have Top tiered talent sprinkled throughout. If you see a 4-0-0 fighter ranked 174th for example, you better do your scouting(and scouting has to be more than simply being able to see the boxers ratings) because that could be a Young Mike Tyson that will rip your head off and feed it to your children. He could be rated 90+ with power in each hand.

Speaking of that, back to the scouting being vague, you could maybe read a blip of opponents last few fight, or a highlight on Sportscenter shows him sending an opponent through the ropes. Maybe that 4-0-0 fighter just signed with a big time promoter or something like that that would clue you in that he has talent. Or maybe he won the gold in the Olympics and came onto the scene with some fanfare.

Or there might not be much info on him because he hasn't been noticed yet. He destroys you and then gets noticed. Now that becomes a goal of yours to eventually meet up again after you get back on track. But now your management teams knows about him and other members of your stable will avoid him until they are ready.

We need to have multiple human controlled boxers. Imagine havinbg your friends over on a Friday night and each guy fighting a couple of fights and see who progresses, you can duck eachother or face off early. With the Hidden Max Potential attribute, some of the human controlled boxers will ascend to the top while others will max out in the rankings at various spots and become journeymen. But with some luck, and some good strategy, maybe even a boxer who maxes out at a relatively low skill level picks his fights carefully and eventually gets a title shot.

[gravity62]

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So you guy actually think that if a fighter gained 20 pounds he could actually lose some of his power BEHIND his punches ? I hope some of you goys get that and don't let it fly over your head. How many of you actually know boxing or have fought a good number of fights in your lie? Your tryin to tell me that a fighter such as Sergio Martinez couldn't increase strength in his punches simply by gaining mental faith in his powers, actually changing his philosophy and committing to fight offensive. On a smaller level... you can also gain or lose physicality and strength by the way you train and eat. Get it now?

[Complex]

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So your theory is that you actually gain power by losing weight ? Okay, complex! I won't even waste my time countering with a witty comeback even though you tried to imsult my intelligence.

... Toughness doesn't equate to how many punches or punshment you can take, it comes down to how you can swim out of deep waters when your going through adversity, or in other words, a tough fight and come out with a win. Who has done that more than Muhamad Ali? Name me one fighter. Maybe you could say Sugar Ray Robinson but I honestly don't think he was the underdog in any of his fights.

Never said that, your words. Re-read what I wrote.

[gravity62]

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Sum it up for me.

And I'm not going back but I'm pretty strongly sure you edited my post, complex.

[fistofrage]

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Sum it up for me.

And I'm not going back but I'm pretty strongly sure you edited my post, complex.

Take this discussion to another thread so it doesn't get off topic.

[gravity62]

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Look dude... who are you to tell me what to do ? I never went off-topic. I'm not trying to argue with anyone here, but at the same time I'm not scared and I don't take **** from nobody! It seems to me that you're a little intimidated by a guy who's just as intelligent as you but has a little bit of different vision than most of the guys here on this board. Just don't disrespect me and it's cool. aiight? Now finish your discussion if you like.... ...

[Complex]

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Let me par the question. Should legacy mode be more of a free form mode or do you guys wanted a semi canned experience with choices?

[Complex]

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Looking at your first post fist..it sounds like you want a franchise mode in the game. For an NFL game we can choose hot dog prices, so surely we should be able to choose a cut man, trainer etc for a fight. And each should have strengths and drawbacks. Maybe some won't allow you to fight but 3 times a year etc.

[Money99]

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So you guy actually think that if a fighter gained 20 pounds he could actually lose some of his power BEHIND his punches ? I hope some of you goys get that and don't let it fly over your head. How many of you actually know boxing or have fought a good number of fights in your lie? Your tryin to tell me that a fighter such as Sergio Martinez couldn't increase strength in his punches simply by gaining mental faith in his powers, actually changing his philosophy and committing to fight offensive. On a smaller level... you can also gain or lose physicality and strength by the way you train and eat. Get it now?

In a sense, yes. Look at Chris Byrd. Dude had more pop as a LHW than HW.
The main reason is that you're going up against dudes who can take a punch at that weight.
So while you were knocking out guys at 147, that same 'pop' that could drop a WW won't feel as hard against a JMW or MW.

When I was pretending to box, my trainer desperately wanted me to drop weight and go down to 160. I was 185 at the time and I refused.
I'm a naturally skinny guy who had to work his butt off to gain 25lbs in the gym. I wasn't going to throw that away so I could win a few club fights or possibly compete at the provincial level.
But my trainer liked the power I had and promised me that if I went from LHW to MW, I would destroy guys.

And just look at some of the records of fighters who've climbed weight. Most of them had better KO% at a lighter weight.
Mayweather's a good example of this. He has a great majority of his stoppages as a 130-pounder.
And then you look at guys like Gatti who knew they needed to stay at 140 to be effective.

Adding 20lbs can certainly add power. But it's relative. Sure, that extra power would have been impressive against a Junior Welterweight. But against a light-heavyweight, it'll just feel like all the other punches they've felt.
And if weight carried that much of a factor in power, then why isn't Valuev dropping dudes left and right? Ruiz, gained weight as he matured and yet he couldn't knock anyone out.
Or how about Michael Moorer? He was 22-0 with 22KO's a Light-Heavyweight.
As a HW? 30-4-1 with 18KO's. Despite gaining 50lbs, his KO percentage went from 100% to 60%.

Very few guys in the history of the sport have gained or kept their KO power as they moved up in weight.
Again, it's relative. I'm sure they punched harder with 20 more pounds, but because they're fighting heavier dudes, they're pop didn't have nearly the same impact as they did at a lower weight.

[fistofrage]

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Look dude... who are you to tell me what to do ? I never went off-topic. I'm not trying to argue with anyone here, but at the same time I'm not scared and I don't take **** from nobody! It seems to me that you're a little intimidated by a guy who's just as intelligent as you but has a little bit of different vision than most of the guys here on this board. Just don't disrespect me and it's cool. aiight? Now finish your discussion if you like.... ...

Look dude, I don't mind the discussion of how power transitions from weight classes, I have seen it go both ways and I showed the examples, its a good discussion, I just want to keep this thread on topic so we can compile a list for the developers. So make a new thread for it if you like and I am sure we can have a great discussion in there aiight?

[fistofrage]

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Let me par the question. Should legacy mode be more of a free form mode or do you guys wanted a semi canned experience with choices?

Legacy mode should be totally free flowing, do what you want. But they should have some studio shows and things like that that sum up what happened over the last period of time and some ring Magazine articles that give you a feel for whats happening in the rankings besides with just your boxer.

I don't want anything canned. They can have things that will happen like the Olympic gold medalists come into the rankings every 4 years. But I do not want anything remotely close to a Champion/Prizefighter mode.

Just give me 200+ boxers in each weight class, Good/great fighters sprinkled throughout the rankings, the ability to design my training camp, both length and training exercises,the ability to scout opponents, pick different managers and trainers and cut men, have multiple user controlled boxers in the same legacy, and a hidden potential attribute and I will write my owned stories, I don't need anything canned.

[Money99]

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Legacy mode should be totally free flowing, do what you want. But they should have some studio shows and things like that that sum up what happened over the last period of time and some ring Magazine articles that give you a feel for whats happening in the rankings besides with just your boxer.

I don't want anything canned. They can have things that will happen like the Olympic gold medalists come into the rankings every 4 years. But I do not want anything remotely close to a Champion/Prizefighter mode.

Just give me 200+ boxers in each weight class, Good/great fighters sprinkled throughout the rankings, the ability to design my training camp, both length and training exercises,the ability to scout opponents, pick different managers and trainers and cut men, have multiple user controlled boxers in the same legacy, and a hidden potential attribute and I will write my owned stories, I don't need anything canned.

Amen brother!

[gravity62]

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In a sense, yes. Look at Chris Byrd. Dude had more pop as a LHW than HW.
The main reason is that you're going up against dudes who can take a punch at that weight.
So while you were knocking out guys at 147, that same 'pop' that could drop a WW won't feel as hard against a JMW or MW.

When I was pretending to box, my trainer desperately wanted me to drop weight and go down to 160. I was 185 at the time and I refused.
I'm a naturally skinny guy who had to work his butt off to gain 25lbs in the gym. I wasn't going to throw that away so I could win a few club fights or possibly compete at the provincial level.
But my trainer liked the power I had and promised me that if I went from LHW to MW, I would destroy guys.

And just look at some of the records of fighters who've climbed weight. Most of them had better KO% at a lighter weight.
Mayweather's a good example of this. He has a great majority of his stoppages as a 130-pounder.
And then you look at guys like Gatti who knew they needed to stay at 140 to be effective.

Adding 20lbs can certainly add power. But it's relative. Sure, that extra power would have been impressive against a Junior Welterweight. But against a light-heavyweight, it'll just feel like all the other punches they've felt.
And if weight carried that much of a factor in power, then why isn't Valuev dropping dudes left and right? Ruiz, gained weight as he matured and yet he couldn't knock anyone out.
Or how about Michael Moorer? He was 22-0 with 22KO's a Light-Heavyweight.
As a HW? 30-4-1 with 18KO's. Despite gaining 50lbs, his KO percentage went from 100% to 60%.

Very few guys in the history of the sport have gained or kept their KO power as they moved up in weight.
Again, it's relative. I'm sure they punched harder with 20 more pounds, but because they're fighting heavier dudes, they're pop didn't have nearly the same impact as they did at a lower weight.

Yeah I agree with that bro, but I said it in fewer words. Forgot weight classes, if you put on 20 pounds with the same techique you're going to have more power. Weight classes should be thought of as levels in boxing. Heavyweight is more grand, bigger, or higher not the other way around. If you lose weight, aspecially muscle you're going lose to power realistically. Some fighters move up in weight and fight more defensively or not AS offensive and intentionally punch with less force (I won't get int that) which coincides with what I said earlier in reguards to mentality. I listed other factors earlier, you can read them again if you like if you want to get the gest of what I said. But again, the heavier you are and or the more "solid" the harder you'll hit. Think' ike Tyson.