Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I thought I posted a lot of detailed info to clear up your incorrect statements about True Aim from TW11 being essentially "exactly" the same in TW12. Go back and read my posts. Go load TW11 True Aim and hit some tee shots with draw or fade applied. And, load TW12, zoom out and apply some draw or fade. And then report back. Do the same in each game applying loft to shots.

I just don't understand how you come up with these types of statements making excuses for EA's game design and game play on the hardest difficulty levels in TW.

I agree with you about 11 being different in the regard above and I agree that these adjustments should NOT be in Tournament mode for TW12. Just fired up TW11 in TrueAim and I see what you are saying, so I agree with your statement that 11 and 12 are different in TrueAim in those respects. I am going to ask the TW12 Devs to restore TrueAim to what it was in TW11 for TW12 with a patch.

Lastly, I am defending EA for anything. I am defending my own personal opinion which last time I looked around here, personal opinions ARE welcomed and should NOT be subjected to unnecessary personal comments. We can continue to discuss this in a mature and rational manner if you can do so without the personal comments. If not, so be it.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I agree with you about 11 being different in the regard above and I agree that these adjustments should NOT be in Tournament mode for TW12. Just fired up TW11 in TrueAim and I see what you are saying, so I agree with your statement that 11 and 12 are different in TrueAim in those respects. I am going to ask the TW12 Devs to restore TrueAim to what it was in TW11 for TW12 with a patch.

I'm pretty sure that EA has heard loud and clear on thier boards how many people want the TW11 True Aim. If they haven't listened by now to the multiple complaints then I doubt they will be listening to anyone else. I know I complained personally there multiple times and didn't really get a response.

I'm suprised it took you until now to realize that true aim is markedly different from last year. The true aim getting an almost complete facelift was noted on this thread weeks ago. I'm pretty sure you were aware of the wholesale changes then. I remember being the 1st one freaking out quite a bit over it back on page 2 or 3 of this thread. There's no way my long post could have been missed since there was pages of discussion on it afterwards.

And a patch to restore TW11 true aim would have to be huge. You would need to overhaul completely the aiming design,institute club carrying distances and add elevation and yardage markers for every hole on all the courses. In essense what they took 8 months to change would have to be changed back within weeks from the source code.

Not to mention the caddie appears hard coded (which would be very difficult to eliminate if it's part of the source code) into the game so it would have to be totally and permanently disabled for everyone on tourney mode and I doubt EA will take out the OPTION of having a caddie in the tourney mode for some gamers.

I know enough about programming that there is about a 1% chance of that happening. The best anyone can hope for is a patch for having the option of disabling the caddie box which right now I would say is 50-50 at best.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

So after giving it another try today, I have to say it is just dorked. So you can disable the Caddy, but the caddy suggestions stay on the bottom of the screen, allowing you to bring them up anytime you want. And if you use them, they are almost fool-proof, even in Tournament mode.

Even if you don't use them, you have the club and % staring at you. You have to select it to get the loft and fade or draw information. And even if the Caddy is disabled, all you have to do is press LB to bring him up.

Exactly how does that make competitive play even possible if you view the Caddy info as a huge cheat?

And the aiming and zooming of the view is just dumb. I had a worse time trying to play without the aids than just whacking the ball on TourPro. The problem is that the Caddy stuff is so intrusive, that you can't just make it go away. You have to force yourself to avoid it all the time.

Sadly, I expect this game to review super well, and sell better than TW 11. It looks purty, and the Caddy seems like an innovation. I'm afraid TrueAim is dead, Jim...

And it annoys the heck out of me that you can access "TrueAim" view if you use TourPro, but what you get are landing circles. Seriously, the devs just blew it. I don't care that they created and installed this Caddy system. It's the elimination of TrueAim that is the real kick in the junk.

So after a second try using the suggestions from Divot, I'm not only going to save $60 plus whatever I would spend on courses, but I will even save the $7 from Blockbuster to rent the game. We'll see what they do for TW 13. But I can't waste my time trying force myself to like what they have done here when there are so many other good games to play right now.

Looks like it is Shift 2 next week.

[Triggerfish]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

it's sad cause people that say they hate the features will still buy it...EA wins!

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/tiger_woods_pga_tour_12_the_masters/b/xbox360/archive/2011/03/25/tiger-gets-himself-out-of-a-tricky-trap-test.aspx

1st review of the game, gives it a 9\10 but it's kinda brief and this reviewer sounds like an arcade player because he likes the caddie doing the thinking for him and aiming for the shooting % that the caddie suggests.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/ti...trap-test.aspx

1st review of the game, gives it a 9\10 but it's kinda brief and this reviewer sounds like an arcade player because he likes the caddie doing the thinking for him and aiming for the shooting % that the caddie suggests.

This is exactly what I was predicting.

[misterkrabz]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

This is exactly what I was predicting.

Playability:Like Madden’s GameFlow feature, Tiger 12’s caddie feature and various assists can be stripped away to your liking, but it’s also hard to fathom playing without it from now on

This is good news....looks like the Caddy stuff can be turned off....

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Playability:Like Madden’s GameFlow feature, Tiger 12’s caddie feature and various assists can be stripped away to your liking, but it’s also hard to fathom playing without it from now on

This is good news....looks like the Caddy stuff can be turned off....

Well, the devs have been quoted as saying it can only be turned off as much as it is in the demo. And that is not off.

[yesrushdt]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

So you can disable the Caddy, but the caddy suggestions stay on the bottom of the screen, allowing you to bring them up anytime you want. And if you use them, they are almost fool-proof, even in Tournament mode.

I wasn't too pleased about this either. Truly hope they patch the game to include an option to turn off the shot suggestions (online and offline). I'll be blocking that small portion of the screen with old TW game boxes in the mean time lol.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Well, the devs have been quoted as saying it can only be turned off as much as it is in the demo. And that is not off.

I have the PS3 retail version and it is the same as the demo, however, it is not difficult at all to ignore the caddy. That being said, like you and others, I wish you could disable it completely.....

[Triggerfish]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

u have the retail? is their at least a choice to block the idiot in the settings so we do not have to disable him at every shot?

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I have the PS3 retail version and it is the same as the demo, however, it is not difficult at all to ignore the caddy. That being said, like you and others, I wish you could disable it completely.....

You find it not difficult to ignore the caddie? His shotbox stares right at you in the middle of the screen. I find it impossible not to look at it and not be swayed by it somewhat. I'm trying to live with it but ignoring is next to impossible unless you're doing what yesrushdt is doing with the old TW boxes and actually blocking them out. I never would have thought that old TW boxes would ever serve that purpose.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

u have the retail? is their at least a choice to block the idiot in the settings so we do not have to disable him at every shot?

In the demo if you pressed O (the far right button for XBox users) on the PS3 on the 1st hole then it was disabled the rest of the round. Should be the same (I hope) for the game.

[Triggerfish]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Thanks! Appreciated

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

u have the retail? is their at least a choice to block the idiot in the settings so we do not have to disable him at every shot?

Let me check on that because I do not recall turning Caddy off at the beginning of the round turns him off for the entire round.

1) Turn the Caddy comments to 0 in Options Menu

2) Hit the D-pad at every new shot and focus on your upcoming shot instead of whatever the caddy is recommending. Since it can't be turned off at this point in time, I am making the best of it and still enjoying the challenge of the game which is more challenging that TW11 was so far.