NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

[Pokes404]

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While we all know EA's goal is to make as much money as possible(really what company isn't like that). I think recent history has shown us good games make the sales while bad games struggle. I do think EA is in this situation because they thought they could cut corners and people would buy the game anyways. I think/hope the light bulb has been lit and the suits realize most gamers casual and hardcore a like want the game to be as close to the actually sport as possible.

After all how many casual baseball fans play "The Show" because it a great game or casual soccer fans FIFA, NHL and so on and so on. I refuse to believe that if we can get football games that are equal to NBA 2K in a nation were football is the most popular sport the sales figures would be poor. "If you build it they will come".

I don't watch much baseball, and have practically zero interest in soccer ... yet I've played The Show since 08 and both FIFA 11 & FIFA World Cup. Those games felt so authentic and had such great gameplay that they've been a blast for me despite not being much of a fan of either sport. I'm sure there are people out there who may not be the biggest football fans but would get into a game that had gameplay comparable to The Show, FIFA, NBA 2K, NHL standard (in terms of emulating real life).

[Roggie]

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Roggie, you could market it the other way. you could announce your biggest new feature 1st, which gets everyone geeked up. that excitement could build for 3 months, as you add on to that big feature announcement with auxillery stuff like the pylon physics, visual enhancements, dreadlocks, etc. by doing the dripping faucet thing works, it can have the reverse effect of turning off some people as they don't see major improvements early on that would keep them interested through release.

Sure, some people would stay excited. But more people would lose interest seeing less "important" upgrades as time goes on compared to those who would lose interest with a build up of smaller upgrades to the main ones at the end.

Would you rather hear about a huge update 4 months before a game came out, or a couple weeks before? Personally, I'd take it later. If I hear about it 4 months before, I'll read into it, learn all about it, then by the time 4 months roll around, the hype around it will just be gone. Having learned and studied enough about marketing, I'm in the majority in being wired this way.

[Solidice]

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they usually save the bigger stuff for media events, like the EA Draft Night Event and E3.

[CurryStorm]

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Pylon physics...? Is that something you really want to emphasize like it's something anyone really cares about? Of all the things that could be fixed/tweaked/added, I wonder which one of them thought that, not only that fixing the pylon physics would be a huge deal, but let's showcase it as if it's a game changing event.

I am getting a strong "wind socks" vibe after watching that video. Yikes.

[Solidice]

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Pylon physics...? Is that something you really want to emphasize like it's something anyone really cares about? Of all the things that could be fixed/tweaked/added, I wonder which one of them thought that, not only that fixing the pylon physics would be a huge deal, but let's showcase it as if it's a game changing event.

I am getting a strong "wind socks" vibe after watching that video. Yikes.

1. this is not an EA video. they were asked about it and they answered. whether they told the interviewers to ask that question on purpose or not, I have no clue. either way, I don't see how anyone could take that as a "game changing" event from that video.

2. Windsocks were never promoted as a big item, it was a 1 line mention in a blog about many small details that were added for NCAA 10. people have been exaggerating that for far too long now, it's not really funny anymore.

[Bumi]

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You do realize we have been asking for Dreads for years, right?

Well, technically, we weren't asking for them last gen. Same with pylon physics. Just saying...

[cree ross]

So you mean to tell me that for 12 months Ea worked on real time physics? Not for the player models but for some dang pylons? WTF

[mikehud]

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Here's an article from my experience in 2010 for the '11 title.


http://traditionsportsonline.com/ea-...w-with-rynoaid

So how early would you guys receive a copy of 11?

[mikehud]

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Sure, some people would stay excited. But more people would lose interest seeing less "important" upgrades as time goes on compared to those who would lose interest with a build up of smaller upgrades to the main ones at the end.

Would you rather hear about a huge update 4 months before a game came out, or a couple weeks before? Personally, I'd take it later. If I hear about it 4 months before, I'll read into it, learn all about it, then by the time 4 months roll around, the hype around it will just be gone. Having learned and studied enough about marketing, I'm in the majority in being wired this way.

you really think that? i don't. I don't think you'll be able to learn all about it because they won't release all the info about it. the info they've released thus far has been released with an apathetic tone. most have said it's just more fluff and they want to hear more. just check out the forums here. that's why the visual upgrades and playbook threads keep getting honked up with folks asking about gameplay. that's why you see hype for summer blockbuster releases in January. they want to build excitement. If you know that the game has a some kind of dynamic change to gameplay, most folks would be like, oh snap, I can't wait to get my hands on this to see how it works. then you add in the new lighting, dreads, pylon physics and what ever other visual changes, it's like layes on the tiramisu. just makes it better, i think. it'd be like oh cool, we got dreads to go along with the gameplay, damn I REALLY can't wait to get this now because we been asking for dreads sonce next gen!! just my $0.02.

[roadman]

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you really think that? i don't. I don't think you'll be able to learn all about it because they won't release all the info about it. the info they've released thus far has been released with an apathetic tone. most have said it's just more fluff and they want to hear more. just check out the forums here. that's why the visual upgrades and playbook threads keep getting honked up with folks asking about gameplay. that's why you see hype for summer blockbuster releases in January. they want to build excitement. If you know that the game has a some kind of dynamic change to gameplay, most folks would be like, oh snap, I can't wait to get my hands on this to see how it works. then you add in the new lighting, dreads, pylon physics and what ever other visual changes, it's like layes on the tiramisu. just makes it better, i think. it'd be like oh cool, we got dreads to go along with the gameplay, damn I REALLY can't wait to get this now because we been asking for dreads sonce next gen!! just my $0.02.

I disagree also.

This has been EA's mantra for several years. I know this is the way they promote Madden, and I'm sure FIFA and Tiger Woods golf too. If it works, they won't change it because a few people on the net want to flip it around.

If they release game play early on, what if you don't like what you see? You are likely to go hibernate and not show up until the same time next year and they lose a customer. This way, if they release game play with a month to go, maybe you've liked all the new features and most of the game play released, but not the major game play info released. Maybe you are at the point that you will buy it or rent it vs losing you altogether 4 months ago.

Makes sense to me.

Even though this might be small news on the Richter Scale, it's ok with me. Small news leads to bigger news.

[TDenverFan]

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I disagree also.

This has been EA's mantra for several years. I know this is the way they promote Madden, and I'm sure FIFA and Tiger Woods golf too. If it works, they won't change it because a few people on the net want to flip it around.

If they release game play early on, what if you don't like what you see? You are likely to go hibernate and not show up until the same time next year and they lose a customer. This way, if they release game play with a month to go, maybe you've liked all the new features and most of the game play released, but not the major game play info released. Maybe you are at the point that you will buy it or rent it vs losing you altogether 4 months ago.

Makes sense to me.

Even though this might be small news on the Richter Scale, it's ok with me. Small news leads to bigger news.

I agree. And, as many already have said, it's March! Their not going to release all of the new features in March.

[mrMagic91]

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I dont think people want to see game play this early. Remember that oh so horrible video that was released last year? The one that everyone was ranting about. It was horrible. But when the game released it didnt play like that. (Not for me) So i would imagine that the developers wont take any risk of releasing early game play videos. Im fine getting these visual upgrade photos and all. Im just hoping that our next blog isnt about pylon physics. Maybe college gameday

[djordan]

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You have to be kidding me. EA cracks me up with hyping small things. "Pylon Physics"? COME ON NOW!! We are talking about the same "Pylon Physics" that were in Madden 2001-2007 for PS2/XBOX and guess what...THAT WAS NEVER A HYPED FEATURE BACK IN THE DAY. Reading this thread I can't believe some of you cats are praising EA for this like it was never in previous Madden/NCAA games on PS2.

From the vets that post here every year you should know the drill...

[Roggie]

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you really think that? i don't. I don't think you'll be able to learn all about it because they won't release all the info about it. the info they've released thus far has been released with an apathetic tone. most have said it's just more fluff and they want to hear more. just check out the forums here. that's why the visual upgrades and playbook threads keep getting honked up with folks asking about gameplay. that's why you see hype for summer blockbuster releases in January. they want to build excitement. If you know that the game has a some kind of dynamic change to gameplay, most folks would be like, oh snap, I can't wait to get my hands on this to see how it works. then you add in the new lighting, dreads, pylon physics and what ever other visual changes, it's like layes on the tiramisu. just makes it better, i think. it'd be like oh cool, we got dreads to go along with the gameplay, damn I REALLY can't wait to get this now because we been asking for dreads sonce next gen!! just my $0.02.

If that was the way most people think, why do the majority of companies market the way EA does? Why do they release CG trailers instead of gameplay trailers? Why do most companies never put out the biggest news right away? I wouldn't mind a mix of minor gameplay additions plus visual changes, then release the biggest info late. But it's just like a crescendo with the climax at the end. There's no reason to have the climax first then gradually go down with lesser stuff to the point that people get bored with it.

[Pokes404]

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I dont think people want to see game play this early. Remember that oh so horrible video that was released last year? The one that everyone was ranting about. It was horrible. But when the game released it didnt play like that. (Not for me) So i would imagine that the developers wont take any risk of releasing early game play videos. Im fine getting these visual upgrade photos and all. Im just hoping that our next blog isnt about pylon physics. Maybe college gameday

I don't think people are asking for gameplay videos. Most people realize it's early in the process. But, we'd like them to talk about something gameplay related. Even if it's just something small like, "We'll be fixing the receiver's AI so that they go up and get the ball in appropriate situations instead of trying an over-the-shoulder catch 90% of the time," or, "DBs will be more aggressive at taking away the curl route instead of just standing 3 yards behind the receiver and waiting for him to catch it." Info like that is really all they need to release to appease the gameplay people right now.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want a small tidbit of info about the gameplay when they're releasing small tidbits about graphics and presentation (especially when no one is worried about the graphics or presentation being up to par).