Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I have to disagree with you here man. Based on just the demo of course it looks like E.A. has weeded out the "Truearcade" players from TW11 eliminating all the arcady assists that they need.

TrueSim or TW12 is still arcady in that tournament mode still gives you the ability to zoom out. This should not be available in a Sim atmosphere. We should only be able to rely on the hole layout (in the caddie book) from the tee.

All these preshot adjustments and alginments from a zoomed out perspective will only be missed by arcade players. What man walks 280 -340yrds from the tee box(irl) to survey where he wants to hit his ball????

The hole flyby and hole layout ( granted this layout would need more info) is all that should be available at the tee and in the fairways in the hardest mode. Arcade players wont like this, but as Jack Nicholson says in a Few good Men " You can't handle a Truesim"

Tw12 is closer to a SIM game in tournament mode then Tw11 will ever be.

I just can't see it that way. You are trying to tell me that all of the info the caddy uses to provide a shot (hole elevation, carrying distance, wind, and fairway and green speed) are just arcade elements if they are provided to us to make our own adjustments?

I can't buy in that last year's TrueAim was arcade. And Divot will have to agree with me, since he spent so much time explaining just that last year.

And yes, TW 12's ability to show you exactly where you ball will land, moving as you make adjustments, is far more arcadey than last year. I can not only create a custom shot, but I can view exactly where it will go while I customize. That ruins the expeience, a ton.

In TW 11, I could view the the ara I wanted to hit, but I had to back to golfer view and make adjustments, and hope they were what I needed. This is probably the most critical thing that was lost.

And worse, when we set up tourneys or use Play the Pros, there doesn't seem to be a way to keep everyone from using all of this extra information when they play. We can make it harder on ourselves, but we can't avoid some of the caddy suggestions, even if it is turned off. But there is no reason to believe that our opponents aren't going to make use of the full caddy info when push comes to shove.

[fishepa]

it's sad cause people that say they hate the features will still buy it...EA wins!

The only reason I'm buying is because Amazon is giving me $25 in credit. EA wins either way I guess.

[The Bimmer]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I just can't see it that way. You are trying to tell me that all of the info the caddy uses to provide a shot (hole elevation, carrying distance, wind, and fairway and green speed) are just arcade elements if they are provided to us to make our own adjustments?

I can't buy in that last year's TrueAim was arcade. And Divot will have to agree with me, since he spent so much time explaining just that last year.

And yes, TW 12's ability to show you exactly where you ball will land, moving as you make adjustments, is far more arcadey than last year. I can not only create a custom shot, but I can view exactly where it will go while I customize. That ruins the expeience, a ton.

In TW 11, I could view the the ara I wanted to hit, but I had to back to golfer view and make adjustments, and hope they were what I needed. This is probably the most critical thing that was lost.

And worse, when we set up tourneys or use Play the Pros, there doesn't seem to be a way to keep everyone from using all of this extra information when they play. We can make it harder on ourselves, but we can't avoid some of the caddy suggestions, even if it is turned off. But there is no reason to believe that our opponents aren't going to make use of the full caddy info when push comes to shove.

I understand what you mean about the caddies suggestion even when disabled, but as I have said before this will be irrelevant for me and you and most guys who have played the game alot. We KNOW what club we will use by the yardage to the pin. I know on the tee if the hole is 448yds, it will be driver + 8 iron before I swing the club 95% of the time. If anything it will help players process thier clubs quicker. I mean if the end result is we use what the caddie suggested whats lost , the fact that we didnt figure it out on our own?

I gotta tell you I am oblivious to the caddie suggestion and use the custom club automatically playing the demo on tournament mode.

Lets hope we all enjoy the game.

[Triggerfish]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Divot, if you do not mind me asking...if you have the sound of the "idiot" off and you disable him before each round ( i will assume u cannot disable him once in the settings and it will be permanent for every time you play) i know his suggestions pop up anyway..do you find yourself looking at what he says? Now granted..i do not want him helping or swaying me in ANY way..i hope i'm wording this correctly.:-) thanks in advance!

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I completely ignore the caddy and his recommended shots.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I completely ignore the caddy and his recommended shots.

I found it impossible not to be influenced.

How do you judge elevation?

How do you not notice the camera challenging the landing spot based on your selections?

How easy will it be to remember carrying distances if you play with different golfers that have different levels of skill? I might want one based on TW 11 XP, but I will spend more time with a fresh player.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I found it impossible not to be influenced.

How do you judge elevation?

How do you not notice the camera challenging the landing spot based on your selections?

How easy will it be to remember carrying distances if you play with different golfers that have different levels of skill? I might want one based on TW 11 XP, but I will spend more time with a fresh player.

Sorry to hear that.

You do not need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot.

As to your other two questions, I do not know what you are asking. I only use one CAG, so I do not worry about carrying distances and different skill levels. Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year....

[Rules]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Like I said before, the Move should negate what the caddie is saying as the challenge alone is nailing the swing in the first place. Don't get me wrong as I would like the higher difficulty of doing everything on my own. However, one has to believe that EA got the message and will plan accordingly for next year. If you do not have the Move then it is probably best to either go back to TW11 or skip this years game cause if you are already unhappy before getting the game.........then well you get my point.

I have to ask, how many of you are going to continually beat this whole caddie issue into the ground? What's done is done so if you are getting the game then come up with a workaround like many of us do when presented with these type of dilemmas’. Before anyone chimes in that we shouldn't have to........let me say this......obviously you must not have played any EA games


If you are not getting the game then go over to EA's forum to let them know as I have never seen any of their devs here so your cries will go unheard. Not trying to be mean but for the love of golf.....GET OVER IT.<O

[Rules]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

I can appreciate that you can enjoy the challenge of TW 12. The problem is, you have to jump through hoops to do so, and even then, you are still not given all the information the caddy is using to suggest shots for you.

At this point, it is clear that TW 11 is just a better game for those of us that grew to really appreciate TrueAim. The question is, for how long will EA support TW 11 with online tourneys and Play With the Pros?

Knowing EA they will probably shut it down soon to force everyone to buy their next one. From past experience they seem to shut down the previous servers a few months later. That or the constant up and down due to so called maintenance is another ploy to frustrate everyone to not bother.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Knowing EA they will probably shut it down soon to force everyone to buy their next one.

No, not likely. TW10 online play is still running, so TW11 will be up through TW13....

[Rules]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

No, not likely. TW10 online play is still running, so TW11 will be up through TW13....

Wow, didn't know that. Was basing it off of their other sports games.

[Rules]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Divot~ can you confirm which golfers are in the game? That is the only accurate piece of information that I have not been able to find.

I seen a list about a month ago but yet when I went and watched one of EA's videos there were others not listed. Just wondering if Tom Watson and a few others are in or not?

[ShivasIrons]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Sorry to hear that.

You do not need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot.

As to your other two questions, I do not know what you are asking. I only use one CAG, so I do not worry about carrying distances and different skill levels. Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year....

You don't need to judge elevation when you zoom in for your shot? I have not seen that in the demo, but it's hard to tell as there is not a huge amount of elevation on the demo holes. I would be surprised if that is an accurate statement.

And, that last statement is a heck of a thing to post to someone, who has only played the demo and is seeking more info. "Sorry you don't like TW12. See ya next year."

[rangerrick012]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Well I went back and played the TW 11 demo (since I didn't buy TW 11). And to me true aim on TW 11 is a bit easier. Noted I did play w/ the putt meter on in the demo, but it still seemed easier than TW 12 demo true aim. Having the elevations given to you instead of having to judge it yourself does seem easier IMO. Like I've said in previous posts, having the caddy there is an annoyance, but it's still within you as a player to hit the shots. I guess my own 'house rule' so to speak has been that I haven't been using shot practice, except for on putts. Every other shot I just leave it to myself to judge the percentage on the first swing. And you can still pretty much aim wherever you want in TW 11, the only difference is the zoom.

[Rules]

Re: Tiger Woods PGA TOUR 12: The Masters Demo Available Now, Post Impressions Here

Well I went back and played the TW 11 demo (since I didn't buy TW 11). And to me true aim on TW 11 is a bit easier. Noted I did play w/ the putt meter on in the demo, but it still seemed easier than TW 12 demo true aim. Having the elevations given to you instead of having to judge it yourself does seem easier IMO. Like I've said in previous posts, having the caddy there is an annoyance, but it's still within you as a player to hit the shots. I guess my own 'house rule' so to speak has been that I haven't been using shot practice, except for on putts. Every other shot I just leave it to myself to judge the percentage on the first swing.

I'm going to do the same today. I didn't get TW11 so maybe I am missing something here. Either way, EA is not going to patch it so we WILL have to deal with it.