Pitchers w/o full energy after 4 days rest?

[The Cleaner III]

Is anyone else having the problem of their starters not having full energy after 4 days rest? I started Cliff Lee for 7 innings on opening day. When it was time for his next scheduled start, he had about 90% energy. Why wouldn't he be 100% ready to go? This is the point of a 5 man rotation. Am I doing something wrong?

[Sunjah_Khan]

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I started a Red Sox campaign for fun, and the third time through the rotation I noticed Jon Lester was not fully rested after normal rest. I'll check back in when I see what happens to others on this time through and also the 4th time. It does seem odd, especially because for over 1/2 of baseball's long history pitchers were on a 4-man rotation, so a 5-man one should clearly be restful enough.

Strange.

[Snake.Plissken]

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Raise Starter Stamina to 6 and you should be able to go 100 pitches with starters with good stamina. You need to take out your starters when they have about 10% energy left.

[countryboy]

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you're not doing anything wrong, its the way it is. At times I've had pitchers with full energy upon their next start, while others didn't.

For me, if Jaime Garcia throws over 90 pitches, he typically doesn't have full stamina the next start. Carp/Wainwright/Westbrook can throw over 100 pitches and more often than not be fully rested the next trip out.

There are so many factors that come into play, I've noticed, such as but not limited to:

*number of pitches
*number of high velocity pitches
*pitcher actual stamina rating

[HexHollow]

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I wouldn't say it's a problem not being fully rested after 4 days rest, especially if it was a long previous outing. Seems pretty realistic.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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you're not doing anything wrong, its the way it is. At times I've had pitchers with full energy upon their next start, while others didn't.

For me, if Jaime Garcia throws over 90 pitches, he typically doesn't have full stamina the next start. Carp/Wainwright/Westbrook can throw over 100 pitches and more often than not be fully rested the next trip out.

There are so many factors that come into play, I've noticed, such as but not limited to:

*number of pitches
*number of high velocity pitches
*pitcher actual stamina rating

Right, and IIRC if pitchers are throwing more high effort pitches they gas out quicker too.

If you pitch until you get the X PITCHER IS GETTING TIRED message there's a decent chance they'll be fully rested. If you pitch until the X PITCHER IS OUT OF ENERGY message, well, they're probably going to get shelled but they're also going to be down a bit of stamina for their next start. It's not a bad system - if you strain your starter it has an effect on his next start and if you're nice to him you get him back fully rested the next time around.

The stamina slider is of course there for you if you don't agree with the out of the box tuned numbers. I kind of like the default since it keeps my starting pitcher inning totals relatively realistic but that may be different depending on how you pitch!

[VanillaGorilla]

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I wouldn't say it's a problem not being fully rested after 4 days rest, especially if it was a long previous outing. Seems pretty realistic.

Except it's not realistic. Throwing 10 more pitches in a game doesn't make any difference on how tired you are in your next start.

[raneman85]

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I like the slider on 5. It provides the possibility of utilizing the spot starter. I wish spot starter was a pitching rotation option.

[Heroesandvillains]

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The only trend I'm noticing is that once my pitcher reaches about 70-75 pitches, swing and misses are nearly impossible to enduce. Let alone K's...unless they are looking.

I'm executing my pitches, because these balls become pop ups or choppers to the catcher, so it's not as if I'm not utilizing my pitch history or anything. It just seems like that high octane fastball can't get blown by anyone at this point. Last year, with an ace, this would happen at around 90 pitches. This threshold seems to come about 15 pitches earlier this time around.

Is it just me? Is my 'normal' upstroke (analog) just a touch faster than it's meant to be? Or is starter stamina actually different this year?

Is anyone else seeing any 'in-game' stamina trends?

[Perfect Zero]

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I don't see anything wrong with Lee not being ready after four games. When he came to Texas, he was already worn out from his short stay in Seattle and had some really mediocre outings. He had to take two weeks off just to get back on course. You might just have to go with that for the rest of Lee's career.

[CabreraMVP]

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I don't let my starters stamina get to low so I don't really have this problem. Sometimes I can Verlander past 100, but most of guys like wear out between 80-90. I have a good bullpen so I can afford to take my starters out sooner rather than later.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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I don't let my starters stamina get to low so I don't really have this problem. Sometimes I can Verlander past 100, but most of guys like wear out between 80-90. I have a good bullpen so I can afford to take my starters out sooner rather than later.

For the record: Verlander averaged 113 pitchers per start last year. His high was 127. You can't really do that with the default settings. I think the SCEA stamina formula is based off inning total rather than pitches thrown which means for guys who waste a lot of pitches their stamina is accurately reflected.

[countryboy]

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Except it's not realistic. Throwing 10 more pitches in a game doesn't make any difference on how tired you are in your next start.

actually it does. You are making the muscle work more. Stamina for pitchers is more about arm fatigue rather than physical fatigue

[Ranger Fan]

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Problem existed last year. Pithers routinely throw 100 pitches in a game as long as they don't get bombed. They should not be out of gas after 80 pitches, also after throwing 100 pitches they should be at full strength after 4 full days of rest. Increasing starter stamina to 6 seems the way to go

[Sunjah_Khan]

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...if pitchers are throwing more high effort pitches they gas out quicker too...

Wow, is this really true in the game? It is the first I've heard of it, though I have thought for years it should be a factor in any baseball game. Harder thrown pitches should take more energy, plain and simple.

Tom Glavine throwing his changeup should not wear the arm like Clemens throwing his fastball for 6 innings. Clemens' arm should become more fatigued.

I am going to test this, but if this is really true, that is intensely cool, and as it should be.