NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

[mrMagic91]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

Im done with this "Gameplay vs. Everything else" debate.

[Dashdagreat]

Maybe he's new around here and missed the 1000+ post thread asking for dreads in the wishlist forum. Well either that or he's Okay with all of his players looking the same.

Maybe im not new, and i also people ben asking for Cleats and other silly stuff too. Maybe unlike some of you all, im on other sites than operation sports and i know the community as a whole, has been asking for wayyyy more than Dreads, Cleats and Jersey patches. Basing the goodness of this game off of Dreads and Cleats is utterly ridiculous! The game play is broke! The presentation is fine ( could be better, but fine ), the graphics been good, whats broke is the game play! Light work, dreads and pylon physics though they are cool, is not what the majority have been asking for. Then again, this game isnt even competitive no more, because of money plays and nanos. I dont know, if the actually fixed the on the field gameplay most of ya would hate it because you wouldnt be able to cheese it.

[Dashdagreat]

...Or, they won't show a gameplay video because last time I checked it is March, and the game comes out in July. My guess would be they are still working on the gameplay, so why would they post a video of alpha at best gameplay just to hear people rag on it, even though it is not the finished product. I dunno, just my two cents...

Homie this game is done! lol.... Im in the music game and the gaming thing cant be much different. I do independent stuff but i have knowledge of how majors work too.

If we in March and this game release in July, that gives them in all actuality,2 months! Please believe, they have 1 year to work on these titles, if the game play isnt complete by now, it wont be completed. Meaning? broken! Every company have guidelines and deadlines with these products. EA have to get mass copies manufactured, bar coded, they have to negotiate points with companies, account for shipping cost, bla bla bla, a bunch of other **** i aint gone bore ya with. Point is, just because the game release in July, dont mean they have until then to work on it. Thats all marketing and telling the people who dont know no better we are doing this and that.

I tell you what, since this is the internet and we all can make up who we are and act tough and all that silly stuff, lets go off some facts.

When EA dropped NBA Elite's demo, they said the game was still a work in progress right? This is fact! This can be researched! The demo dropped a whole Month and a Half before the schedule release of the title. This is FaCT! You can check for yourself! ( So using you guys logic, compared to where we are currently,In comparison the NCAA demo drops in May ). The game comes out with HORRIBLE gameplay! Horrible! Even EA has to admit this game was unacceptable! This is FACT! They took the development team off and assigned a new one. FACT! Whats also fact? This decision was made after 2k11 came out to AWESOME reviews from the community. EA new that effort of Elite would be a disaster to financially invest the money, to master the copies of the game, pay for manufacturing, marketing, etc, so they choose to swallow the lost and start over. THATS ALL FACT! If the game was still a "Work IN Progress " and could be fixed, why wasnt it? Seriously give a logical reply? It wasnt fixed because it couldnt be because the game was already done! The time it wouldve took to fix game play that quickly was not possible! NCAA or MAdden never shows gameplay vids, and when they do you see it in segments. Unlike Fifa, The Show or 2k where u can see a game in action

[Dashdagreat]

I disagree also.

This has been EA's mantra for several years. I know this is the way they promote Madden, and I'm sure FIFA and Tiger Woods golf too. If it works, they won't change it because a few people on the net want to flip it around.

If they release game play early on, what if you don't like what you see? You are likely to go hibernate and not show up until the same time next year and they lose a customer. This way, if they release game play with a month to go, maybe you've liked all the new features and most of the game play released, but not the major game play info released. Maybe you are at the point that you will buy it or rent it vs losing you altogether 4 months ago.

Makes sense to me.

Even though this might be small news on the Richter Scale, it's ok with me. Small news leads to bigger news.

''If they release game play early on, what if you don't like what you see? You are likely to go hibernate and not show up until the same time next year and they lose a customer. ''

Thats the point exactly!!!! They know its no difference in the gameplay and people will be disappointed so they sit on it. Like i said, when Elite was getting ready to drop and all that, all they was showing was gameplay! At first, 2k didnt show anything, why? because gameplay wasnt even the biggest problem with their game. They had bug issues HEAVY with 2k10. So they sat back and let EA show their hand which was smart and it would be smart if EA did that too.... WITH COMPETITION BUT THERE ISNT ANY!!!! They have ZERO!! There is no RIVAL in the football game right now! The only reason not to show it because it isnt good! As soon as EA showed them poor gameplay vids, 2k was like o we got them! Released all types of info! New Ball Handling controls, New collision detection and THAT was things people asked for! Then what they throw at you? Play as Jordan! WHat? Who didnt want to see how that played! Even Ian Cummings said he wanted to see lol... Then what was next? For MY Player mode you now get sponsorships and podium interviews! Dang! Then just went that was enough, Presentation, Gameplay vids, Demo... Down goes Elite! 2k gave it to the community back to back! Everybody wanted that game! The Madden and NCAA do it, people just get the game because of no choice. I bought NCAA 11 lack of serious gameplay improvements i wont be buying 12 because 11 was ok and if its not going to be GREAT for 12, im cool with the ok. Madden i didnt even buy. Like somebody else said, if they build the right game, you wouldnt hear nobody on these boards speaking about gameplay for years! I promise u! They can give the same game with updated rosters, dreads and windsocks and with that GREAT Gameplay, nobody would complain

[Dashdagreat]

I don't think people are asking for gameplay videos. Most people realize it's early in the process. But, we'd like them to talk about something gameplay related. Even if it's just something small like, "We'll be fixing the receiver's AI so that they go up and get the ball in appropriate situations instead of trying an over-the-shoulder catch 90% of the time," or, "DBs will be more aggressive at taking away the curl route instead of just standing 3 yards behind the receiver and waiting for him to catch it." Info like that is really all they need to release to appease the gameplay people right now.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want a small tidbit of info about the gameplay when they're releasing small tidbits about graphics and presentation (especially when no one is worried about the graphics or presentation being up to par).

agree! Thats what people is referring too when we say gameplay! Just mention it. You aint got to show it

[mrMagic91]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

^^ I understand but they are going to release gameplay info when they feel like the time is right. why release gameplay info in March?

[roadman]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

Thats the point exactly!!!! They know its no difference in the gameplay and people will be disappointed so they sit on it. Like i said, when Elite was getting ready to drop and all that, all they was showing was gameplay! At first, 2k didnt show anything, why? because gameplay wasnt even the biggest problem with their game. They had bug issues HEAVY with 2k10. So they sat back and let EA show their hand which was smart and it would be smart if EA did that too.... WITH COMPETITION BUT THERE ISNT ANY!!!! They have ZERO!! There is no RIVAL in the football game right now! The only reason not to show it because it isnt good! As soon as EA showed them poor gameplay vids, 2k was like o we got them! Released all types of info! New Ball Handling controls, New collision detection and THAT was things people asked for! Then what they throw at you? Play as Jordan! WHat? Who didnt want to see how that played! Even Ian Cummings said he wanted to see lol... Then what was next? For MY Player mode you now get sponsorships and podium interviews! Dang! Then just went that was enough, Presentation, Gameplay vids, Demo... Down goes Elite! 2k gave it to the community back to back! Everybody wanted that game! The Madden and NCAA do it, people just get the game because of no choice. I bought NCAA 11 lack of serious gameplay improvements i wont be buying 12 because 11 was ok and if its not going to be GREAT for 12, im cool with the ok. Madden i didnt even buy. Like somebody else said, if they build the right game, you wouldnt hear nobody on these boards speaking about gameplay for years! I promise u! They can give the same game with updated rosters, dreads and windsocks and with that GREAT Gameplay, nobody would complain

Sounds like you have it all figured out. You don't need any other opinions at this time.

And 2k10 had their game play issues too. Spacing, defensive pressure and 2k put a lot of effort into game play. Heck, they even changed the modes you play in.

Judge game play when the information comes out, not when there is no information and that is a fact.

[Hooe]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

Homie this game is done! lol.... Im in the music game and the gaming thing cant be much different. I do independent stuff but i have knowledge of how majors work too.

If we in March and this game release in July, that gives them in all actuality,2 months! Please believe, they have 1 year to work on these titles, if the game play isnt complete by now, it wont be completed. Meaning? broken! Every company have guidelines and deadlines with these products. EA have to get mass copies manufactured, bar coded, they have to negotiate points with companies, account for shipping cost, bla bla bla, a bunch of other **** i aint gone bore ya with. Point is, just because the game release in July, dont mean they have until then to work on it. Thats all marketing and telling the people who dont know no better we are doing this and that.

I tell you what, since this is the internet and we all can make up who we are and act tough and all that silly stuff, lets go off some facts.

When EA dropped NBA Elite's demo, they said the game was still a work in progress right? This is fact! This can be researched! The demo dropped a whole Month and a Half before the schedule release of the title. This is FaCT! You can check for yourself! ( So using you guys logic, compared to where we are currently,In comparison the NCAA demo drops in May ). The game comes out with HORRIBLE gameplay! Horrible! Even EA has to admit this game was unacceptable! This is FACT! They took the development team off and assigned a new one. FACT! Whats also fact? This decision was made after 2k11 came out to AWESOME reviews from the community. EA new that effort of Elite would be a disaster to financially invest the money, to master the copies of the game, pay for manufacturing, marketing, etc, so they choose to swallow the lost and start over. THATS ALL FACT! If the game was still a "Work IN Progress " and could be fixed, why wasnt it? Seriously give a logical reply? It wasnt fixed because it couldnt be because the game was already done! The time it wouldve took to fix game play that quickly was not possible! NCAA or MAdden never shows gameplay vids, and when they do you see it in segments. Unlike Fifa, The Show or 2k where u can see a game in action

Speaking as someone who actually works in the video games industry with SRRN Games: you have a point to an extent, but your time lengths are exaggerated, and also you omit a key point.

For example, Sony's LittleBigPlanet2 went gold as of December 21, 2010; it was released in the United States on January 19, 2011. Bioware's Mass Effect went gold as of October 24, 2007; it was released in the United States on November 20, 2007. EA Sports' Madden NFL 09 went gold as of June 24, 2008; it was released on August 12, 2008. The observed trend is a four-to-six week turnaround from gold to release.

The key difference between the video game industry and the music industry, however, is that none of this talk of gold dates, etc. precludes EA from continuing work on the game via a launch day title update and/or tuner set. EA has taken this approach with the previous two iterations of Madden. Even our own game, Ash, was declared "done" in early-mid October, but nevertheless we kept working on it ahead of its November 9, 2010 release and released a title update shortly after it launched.

Bottom line is that there isn't a drop-dead scenario where EA has to walk away from the game completely. At some point they must stop adding new features, yes, and at some point EA must also shift its resources to the next year's iteration of the game in question, but bug fixes, tweaks, and even in limited cases content addition (i.e. the addition of Ultimate Team to Madden 10) are not out of the question.

[Hooe]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

''If they release game play early on, what if you don't like what you see? You are likely to go hibernate and not show up until the same time next year and they lose a customer. ''

Thats the point exactly!!!! They know its no difference in the gameplay and people will be disappointed so they sit on it. Like i said, when Elite was getting ready to drop and all that, all they was showing was gameplay! At first, 2k didnt show anything, why? because gameplay wasnt even the biggest problem with their game. They had bug issues HEAVY with 2k10. So they sat back and let EA show their hand which was smart and it would be smart if EA did that too.... WITH COMPETITION BUT THERE ISNT ANY!!!! They have ZERO!! There is no RIVAL in the football game right now! The only reason not to show it because it isnt good! As soon as EA showed them poor gameplay vids, 2k was like o we got them! Released all types of info! New Ball Handling controls, New collision detection and THAT was things people asked for! Then what they throw at you? Play as Jordan! WHat? Who didnt want to see how that played! Even Ian Cummings said he wanted to see lol... Then what was next? For MY Player mode you now get sponsorships and podium interviews! Dang! Then just went that was enough, Presentation, Gameplay vids, Demo... Down goes Elite! 2k gave it to the community back to back! Everybody wanted that game! The Madden and NCAA do it, people just get the game because of no choice. I bought NCAA 11 lack of serious gameplay improvements i wont be buying 12 because 11 was ok and if its not going to be GREAT for 12, im cool with the ok. Madden i didnt even buy. Like somebody else said, if they build the right game, you wouldnt hear nobody on these boards speaking about gameplay for years! I promise u! They can give the same game with updated rosters, dreads and windsocks and with that GREAT Gameplay, nobody would complain

By releasing a video game onto the XBOX360, Playstation3, and/or any other given platform, EA is entering direct competition with any other company that releases a video game onto the platform(s) in question. As such EA has a direct need and incentive to continue to innovate and improve its games so that the consumer chooses its games over those of its competitors.

Is there a direct competitor to EA creating a NCAA-branded and/or NFL-branded football game? No. Does the absence of one mean lack of competition and lack of a need to move forward and make better games? No.

[roadman]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

The key difference between the video game industry and the music industry, however, is that none of this talk of gold dates, etc. precludes EA from continuing work on the game via a launch day title update and/or tuner set. EA has taken this approach with the previous two iterations of Madden. Even our own game, Ash, was declared "done" in early-mid October, but nevertheless we kept working on it ahead of its November 9, 2010 release and released a title update shortly after it launched.

Bottom line is that there isn't a drop-dead scenario where EA has to walk away from the game completely. At some point they must stop adding new features, yes, and at some point EA must also shift its resources to the next year's iteration of the game in question, but bug fixes, tweaks, and even in limited cases content addition (i.e. the addition of Ultimate Team to Madden 10) are not out of the question.

This is very true. Ian has said in the past there is tons of programming going on until ship date and beyond with patches.

[noplace]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

Really? Pylon physics? That will definately put this game over the top...... SMH

[Hooe]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

Really? Pylon physics? That will definately put this game over the top...... SMH

You realize that EA still has months (plural) to unveil new features, right?

[TheShizNo1]

I thought this time a couple years ago, they were showing improved playbooks and tactics for the wing T?

And last year they were talking about winning 117 ways or something like that?

So that would mean EA has led off with big(ish) type news, rather than pylons.

If im wrong, then disregard this.

[Hooe]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

EA had not yet announced ESPN presentation, locomotion, dynasty improvements, dynasty wire, or team-specific entrances for NCAA 11 by this time last year. Basically, none of the big-ticket features had been specifically unveiled.

At this time last year, EA was, however, going through new mascots, and they had published overview blog which likely unveiled the "120 Ways To Win" mantra (all the NCAA 11 blogs appear to now be offline, I'm going solely off the Facebook page here). None of the offensive style blogs had been posted. A screenshot or two detailing lighting improvements had also been released.

[coogrfan]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video Interview - Visuals & Pylon Physics

Basing the goodness of this game off of Dreads and Cleats is utterly ridiculous! The game play is broke! The presentation is fine ( could be better, but fine ), the graphics been good, whats broke is the game play!...Then again, this game isnt even competitive no more, because of money plays and nanos. I dont know, if the actually fixed the on the field gameplay most of ya would hate it because you wouldnt be able to cheese it.

I bought NCAA 11 lack of serious gameplay improvements i wont be buying 12 because 11 was ok and if its not going to be GREAT for 12, im cool with the ok.

Ok, I give up. Is NCAA 11 "broke", or is it "ok"?