Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

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  • azdawgpound
    All Star
    • Nov 2009
    • 5533

    #16
    Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

    i hope if they are redoing the injury thing that they put more into the qb's getting hurt its just dumb that u can lay out the qb on almost every play and they pop up and act like nothing happens game after game after game and we all know in the nfl most qb's don't play all 16 games because of injuries,also they need to fix the injuries for kickers and punters as well i've played 6 seasons and not one kicker or punter has been on the IR or injury list and just like in the nfl thats not real either cause almost every yr a team loses a kicker or punter to some kind of injury.

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    • Step2001
      Pro
      • Jul 2006
      • 573

      #17
      Wear and Tear Injury System! That's what I am waiting for to be announced. This was in NFL Head Coach 09. It needed to be tweaked but overall it was great.

      Injuries should carryover into the following season. With Players having surgeries after the season. Then get reports through the entire offseason on the player recovery. Sometimes a player might have complications from the surgery (like Brady did a few years ago) and prolong the recovery.

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      • Nev
        Rookie
        • Jun 2010
        • 168

        #18
        Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

        Its a cool idea but I've just got a feeling its gonna get abused. Like Madden 11 with the random broken collarbone.

        If players get taken out on big hits then yes, but not every wrap up tackle.

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        • Icarus2k9
          Rookie
          • Jul 2009
          • 118

          #19
          Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

          Quick qualifier: Agree 100% with this move. It's a violent, violent game, but we don't want to ever encourage the Ironman mentality if it means you end up getting spoonfed for the rest of your life. Also interesting to see comments underneath Peter Moore's stance hating on the move for ruining teh videogamez.

          Qualifier off: Doesn't a story like this prove how hard it will be for Madden to ever include certain things the fans want? The NFL license brings with it a lot of responsibility to market the game the way the NFL wants it, and this story hints at that relationship.

          What happens to RTP tackles if you feel responsible to teach children how to hit? Or double tackles? Hell, the hit stick? Making sure there are form tackles and less successful non-form tackles puts strain on those systems. Similarly, what about off-field antics from players in Franchise? Or celebrations? Or players jawing and getting in each others face after a play - which I always think is a big one that Madden misses because it wants to produce the sanitised product the NFL demands. We end up with the odd player picking each other up and then heading to the huddle like good boys.

          I always have to bring it back to FIFA, because I know FIFA, but that only allows bone crunching tackles because you have a sanctioned system of punishments in place in the form of red cards. They've only just added players complaining, and that's a short and tame animation that punishes the player complaining because they're not ready for the quick free kick.

          Sorry, went off on a tangent there. It's just an interesting product of the licenses, and while I 100% agree with this change for the game, in other areas it has hurt the concept of "everything you see on Sunday"

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          • guaps
            Observer
            • Sep 2009
            • 694

            #20
            Re: Concussions in Madden 12 (Kotaku)

            Originally posted by Senator Palmer
            Implemented correctly, I like this idea lot.
            This! If implemented correctly it would be great, but Madden's injury system hasn't been fantastic so far. Random injuries occurring at random tackles, injured players being subbed back in the game despite being unavailable etc. etc.

            I like that sports video games are focusing on player safety as long as it's implemented in a cohesive and consistent manner, so we'll also see correct flags for hitting defenseless players as those two things are linked.

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            • guaps
              Observer
              • Sep 2009
              • 694

              #21
              Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

              Originally posted by Icarus2k9
              I always have to bring it back to FIFA, because I know FIFA, but that only allows bone crunching tackles because you have a sanctioned system of punishments in place in the form of red cards. They've only just added players complaining, and that's a short and tame animation that punishes the player complaining because they're not ready for the quick free kick.
              This is off-topic, but FIFA's producer has already publicly said that FIFA 11's set-piece system is "lame" and "last-gen". The year before with he slammed the ratings and that was fixed for FIFA 11. I find it quite refreshing that FIFA's producer has this approach, unlike Madden's producers who refuse to acknowledge anything unless it's been triple-approved by marketing.
              Last edited by guaps; 03-31-2011, 06:38 AM.

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              • RedZoneD25
                MVP
                • Aug 2008
                • 2963

                #22
                Re: Concussions in Madden 12 (Kotaku)

                I echo the overall sentiment of the other replies...I love the idea and appreciate the realism, I just hope it's tuned to be somewhat realistic.

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                • Zombiecakes
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 30

                  #23
                  Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                  I'm only expecting a superficial implementation of it.

                  It'll probably show up on the injury report like everything else:

                  Example, you'll see a little pop up that shows:



                  "Injury Report: D. Jackson - Concussion - Out for Game - Under Evaluation for Next Week"

                  There will be no option to put the player back into the game (with risk of re-injury) because it's now the NFL rule to not allow a player to return after a concussion. Also, they would have to have daily "concussion evaluations" to determine if they are clear to play for the following week(s) too. Unless the Madden engine just picks a pre-set time frame right away and then you just find a sub and go with that guy until your normal starter is off the injury list.


                  And that's it. I mean, how deep can you get with it? Concussions have always been in Madden as an injury, so far as I recall. The only change they need to make is the duration of play time that the player will miss. In this case, they'll miss at least the rest of the current game and possibly the following week's game depending on the "severity" of it.

                  It's more true-to-life, but not a major change IMO. This is a videogame after all. I honestly don't see the need to add this to the game except to appease the NFL's "morality" police.


                  EDIT: lol - unless they add a mini-game where you try to pass the concussion evaluation test by doing some goofy controller button game. This way you could maybe speed up your player's return to the starting lineup? Just a thought.
                  Last edited by Zombiecakes; 03-31-2011, 08:46 AM.

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                  • wheelman990
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 2233

                    #24
                    Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                    Sounds like its time for individual injury sliders!! This could get out of hand if they dont.


                    I also tend to agree this just means we will get a new cutscene, nothing more. Just MO.

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                    • Segagendude
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 7940

                      #25
                      Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                      Old news, fellas:

                      http://www.operationsports.com/forum...tor-onion.html


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                      • Agent 007
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2011
                        • 140

                        #26
                        Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                        Does this means the Steelers will be fined in franchise mode?

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                        • ThisIsReality
                          Rookie
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 214

                          #27
                          Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                          Originally posted by Agent 007
                          Does this means the Steelers will be fined in franchise mode?
                          James Harrison retires one season afterwards. Reason (Bankruptcy)

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                          • maddenps2
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 1865

                            #28
                            Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                            I question why stories like this, and new plays are boasted about so much. The inclusion of this should be something to be expected.

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                            • LiquorLogic
                              Banned
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 712

                              #29
                              Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                              I like it. If it's in the game, it should be in the game; however, if this feature is going to be successful, it can't be gimmicky. There can't be instances where a concussion randomly occurs on a routine tackle, that doesn't look hard at all, and you player gets a concussion, and can't return, just so EA can deliver the NFL's " Safety first" message.

                              Now if tackling is going to be improved to the point where we have realistic, bone- crushing, but not over the top, hits, then this feature will be great.

                              Originally posted by Senator Palmer
                              Implemented correctly, I like this idea lot. I'd really like it if this were in conjunction with a new tackling mechanic that would give the user more control over the types of tackles applied, and, maybe, tie the risk of concussion to things like hit sticking while in a bad position.
                              They could also add the risk of the defensive player getting suspended in franchise mode in they hit-stick a player and knock him out of the game. To deliver the message that the NFL doesn't condone "head hunting" they would simply not include an option to turn player suspensions off.

                              Sometimes, depending on the style and personality of the player, hit-sticking a player will result in a hard clean tackle, or a helmet to helmet hit which would result in a 15 yard penalty, a fine, and maybe a suspension.

                              Originally posted by ThisIsReality
                              James Harrison retires one season afterwards. Reason (Bankruptcy)
                              Yeah, because quitting you job is a great way to recover from bankruptcy.
                              Last edited by LiquorLogic; 03-31-2011, 01:45 PM.

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                              • oneamongthefence
                                Nothing to see here folks
                                • Apr 2009
                                • 5683

                                #30
                                Re: Madden NFL 12 To Include Concussions to Present a Safety Message

                                Just make hit sticking players in certain situations a flaggable offense like a defenseless reciever. Also I hope concussions happens on logical plays. Not shoe string tackles.
                                Because I live in van down by the river...

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