Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

[trent11189]

Every Franchise I play I get bored of it after 5 or 6 seasons because every single team is rated at 90 overall and every position is filled with a generated player who is rated 85 or higher.

It really is ridiculous. IMO when a rookie comes into the league a low 70's rating should be considered one of the best rookies There should be no more than 2 or 3 guys per draft who are rated 75 or more overall, with a rich draft class coming along every now and then that contains maybe 6 or 7 of these players. There should be maybe 1 or 2 players who are 80 or higher overall some years, and some years there shouldn't be anyone rated that high. Maybe every so often you get another Suh who is like a 90 when he enters the league.

As it stands now there is absolutely no strategy when it comes to drafting players, every year there several players at every position who are in the upper echelon of nfl players upon entering the league. With this going on after a few seasons there is no such thing as a superstar because everyone is great. All you have to do is draft 7 guys with the highest potential every single year and after 3 or 4 years you have a beast team. And not just your team, this goes for every team in the league.

the potential ratings really need to just go away. with it every player you draft can become a 90 overall and the truth is most guys in the nfl never come close to that level. ratings improvements should be based on playing time for categories like awareness and play recognition and based on stats accumulated and plays made for categories like catching, juke move... etc. no cap.
what do you guys think?

[illwill10]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

Agree
There were too many 85+ players coming. After a while teams were loaded. Rookies should come in no higher than 80. Only elite prospects should come in over 80. It was the complete opposite of NCAA. they had a ton of 4 star players coming in under 70.
Also, There would be a ton of current players and generated players with extremely high postition ratings with average overalls. There would be a ton of WRs with 90+ Catch and DBs with 90+ Man Cov.

[jvaccaro]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

There are also way too many created LBs with around 90+ speed

[NorrinRadd12]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

As it stands now there is absolutely no strategy when it comes to drafting players, every year there several players at every position who are in the upper echelon of nfl players upon entering the league. With this going on after a few seasons there is no such thing as a superstar because everyone is great. All you have to do is draft 7 guys with the highest potential every single year and after 3 or 4 years you have a beast team. And not just your team, this goes for every team in the league.

the potential ratings really need to just go away. with it every player you draft can become a 90 overall and the truth is most guys in the nfl never come close to that level. ratings improvements should be based on playing time for ***egories like awareness and play recognition and based on stats accumulated and plays made for ***egories like ***ching, juke move... etc. no cap.
what do you guys think?

Don't look at potential. Don't do any scouting at all.

[mavfan21]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

Every Franchise I play I get bored of it after 5 or 6 seasons because every single team is rated at 90 overall and every position is filled with a generated player who is rated 85 or higher.

It really is ridiculous. IMO when a rookie comes into the league a low 70's rating should be considered one of the best rookies There should be no more than 2 or 3 guys per draft who are rated 75 or more overall, with a rich draft class coming along every now and then that contains maybe 6 or 7 of these players. There should be maybe 1 or 2 players who are 80 or higher overall some years, and some years there shouldn't be anyone rated that high. Maybe every so often you get another Suh who is like a 90 when he enters the league.

As it stands now there is absolutely no strategy when it comes to drafting players, every year there several players at every position who are in the upper echelon of nfl players upon entering the league. With this going on after a few seasons there is no such thing as a superstar because everyone is great. All you have to do is draft 7 guys with the highest potential every single year and after 3 or 4 years you have a beast team. And not just your team, this goes for every team in the league.

the potential ratings really need to just go away. with it every player you draft can become a 90 overall and the truth is most guys in the nfl never come close to that level. ratings improvements should be based on playing time for ***egories like awareness and play recognition and based on stats accumulated and plays made for ***egories like ***ching, juke move... etc. no cap.
what do you guys think?

Totally disagree. Lot's of rookies every season outperform a lot of vets.

[tical2399]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

Every Franchise I play I get bored of it after 5 or 6 seasons because every single team is rated at 90 overall and every position is filled with a generated player who is rated 85 or higher.

It really is ridiculous. IMO when a rookie comes into the league a low 70's rating should be considered one of the best rookies There should be no more than 2 or 3 guys per draft who are rated 75 or more overall, with a rich draft class coming along every now and then that contains maybe 6 or 7 of these players. There should be maybe 1 or 2 players who are 80 or higher overall some years, and some years there shouldn't be anyone rated that high. Maybe every so often you get another Suh who is like a 90 when he enters the league.

As it stands now there is absolutely no strategy when it comes to drafting players, every year there several players at every position who are in the upper echelon of nfl players upon entering the league. With this going on after a few seasons there is no such thing as a superstar because everyone is great. All you have to do is draft 7 guys with the highest potential every single year and after 3 or 4 years you have a beast team. And not just your team, this goes for every team in the league.

the potential ratings really need to just go away. with it every player you draft can become a 90 overall and the truth is most guys in the nfl never come close to that level. ratings improvements should be based on playing time for ***egories like awareness and play recognition and based on stats accumulated and plays made for ***egories like ***ching, juke move... etc. no cap.
what do you guys think?

I hear you. Its kinda the opposite with the NCAA draft classes as those have a bunch of players coming in in the 50's especially the QBs

[dric3655]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

I'd love to see lower rated rookies, but they'll have to fix progression. If a rookie HB runs for 1500 & 12 TDs, he should go up considerably if he starts in the 70s. Otherwise, it takes 6 years for them to go up 15-18 points & by that time they're turning 30.

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

Agree
There were too many 85+ players coming. After a while teams were loaded. Rookies should come in no higher than 80. Only elite prospects should come in over 80. It was the complete opposite of NCAA. they had a ton of 4 star players coming in under 70.
Also, There would be a ton of current players and generated players with extremely high postition ratings with average overalls. There would be a ton of WRs with 90+ Catch and DBs with 90+ Man Cov.

The way I rate the rookies at FBG is very different. The OVR ratings for a rookie are always a bit lower than those in Madden out of the box. This year's bets player as of today in the draft is Patrick Peterson at 80 OVR. He is a rarity. Here is this year's draft class prospects over a 70 OVR as of April 2nd, 2011:


1 PETERSON Patrick CB LSU 80
2 MILLER Von LB Texas A&M 75
3 DAREUS Marcel DE Alabama 74
4 JORDAN Cameron. DE California 74
5 KERRIGAN Ryan DE Purdue 73
6 GREEN A.J. WR Georgia 72
7 WATTÿJ.J. DE Wisconsin 71
8 CLAYBORN Adrian DE Iowa 71
9 HOUSTON Justin LB Georgia 70
10 GABBERT Blaine QB Missouri 70
11 AMUKAMARA Prince CB Nebraska 70
12 FAIRLEY Nick DT Auburn 70
13 NEWTON Cameron QB Auburn 70
14 JONES Julio WR Alabama 70


As you can see, the talent at the top is rare, even for this class. Some classes are better than others though. Madden tends to always make the top rookies about the same from year to year, which is unrealistic. Take a look at the top players from former draft classes for example:

2010:
1 BRADFORD Sam QB Oklahoma 74
2 SUH Ndamukong DT Nebraska 73
3 OKUNG Russell T Oklahoma State 73
4 McCOY Gerald DT Oklahoma 73
5 PIERRE-PAUL Jason DE South Florida 70
6 BERRY Eric ,. S Tennessee 69
7 WILLIAMS Trent T Oklahoma 69
8 MORGAN Derrick DE Georgia Tech 68
9 BULAGA Bryan T Iowa 68
10 SPILLER C.J. RB Clemson 67

2009:
1 STAFFORD Matthew QB Georgia 70
2 SMITH Jason , T Baylor 70
3 CURRY Aaron LB Wake Forest 70
4 SANCHEZ Mark QB Southern Cal 69
5 CRABTREE Michael WR Texas Tech 69
6 SMITH Andre -- T Alabama 69
7 RAJI B.J. DT Boston College 68
8 ORAKPO Brian DE Texas 68
9 MAUALUGA Rey LB Southern Cal 68
10 MacLIN Jeremy WR Missouri 68

2008:
1 LONG Jake T Michigan 74
2 LONG Chris DE Virginia 74
3 GHOLSTON Vernon DE Ohio State 73
4 DORSEY Glen DT LSU 72
5 ELLIS Sedric DT Southern Cal 71
6 HARVEY Derrick DE U of FLORIDA 71
7 RYAN Matt QB Boston College 70
8 MENDENHALL Rashad RB Illinios 70
9 McFADDEN Darren RB Arkansas 70
10 BROHM Brian QB Louisville 70

2007:
1 JOHNSON Calvin WR Georgia Tech 79
2 THOMAS Joe - T Wisconsin 75
3 PETERSON Adrian . RB Oklahoma 73
4 QUINN Brady QB Notre Dame 73
5 HALL Leon CB Michigan 72
6 LANDRY LaRon S LSU 72
7 CARRIKER Adam DE Nebraska 71
8 RUSSELL Jamarcus QB LSU 71
9 WILLIS Patrick LB Mississippi 71
10 OKOYE Amobi DT Louisville 71

2006:
1 BUSH Reggie RB Southern Cal 76
2 LEINHART Matt QB Southern Cal 75
3 DAVIS Vernon TE Maryland 74
4 HAWK A.J. LB Ohio State 72
5 FERGUSON D'Brickashw T Virginia 71
6 WILLIAMS Mario DE North Carolina State 71
7 HUFF Mike S Texas 71
8 CUTLER Jay QB Vanderbilt 71
9 YOUNG Vincent QB Texas 71
10 BUNKLEY Broderick DT Florida State 68
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[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

There are also way too many created LBs with around 90+ speed

Using the FBG system, I can give you the average speeds for all LBs for the past few years. The first number is the average, the second series is the range.

2010: 73 (90 to 46)
2009: 73 (86 to 58)
2008: 73 (87 to 56)
2007: 75 (91 to 56)
2006: 75 (89 to 64)
2005: 75 (91 to 55)
2004: 76 (91 to 59)
2003: 74 (84 to 59)
2002: 74 (85 to 56)

[solo0786]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

What was pouncey rated in your ratings? I ask this cause he was an all pro center as a rookie and according to your ratings he couldnt have been higher than a 67.

And he was pretty much beastin from game one. alreeady one of top 5 centers in the NFL

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

What was pouncey rated in your ratings? I ask this cause he was an all pro center as a rookie and according to your ratings he couldnt have been higher than a 67.

And he was pretty much beastin from game one. alreeady one of top 5 centers in the NFL

I had Pouncey at a 67...the 19th best player overall in that class. Now remember, these ratings were as of draft day, 2010 so he made some progress after that. The ratings are also updated weekly so he would have risen fast during training camp, the preseason, and regular season. Right now he is rated as a 77 WITH his injury. Keep in mind that injuries do affect the OVR rating.

To say he is a top 5 center in the NFL already is pure conjecture that some people may not agree with. I do not take Pro Bowl balloting into account because of it's fan voting where homerism takes a large toll on the outcome. These ratings are based on scouting data only.

[at23steelers]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

@DCEBB: You have Patrick Peterson higher than any other rookie in the past few years, even higher than Calvin Johnson and Sam Bradford. Do you really think he will be that special?

[DCEBB2001]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

@DCEBB: You have Patrick Peterson higher than any other rookie in the past few years, even higher than Calvin Johnson and Sam Bradford. Do you really think he will be that special?

I do. I think that barring him bumming out via off-field issues and being able to learn the skills necessary, he could be special. His combination of athleticism and instincts is second-to-none in this draft or any other. My good friend at NFLDS thinks he will be a HOFer. This guy called the draft busts Aaron Maybin and Robert Ayers before it happened. He knows his stuffs so if he makes that bold of a prediction, I have to pay attention.

[rboocahrd]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

With no way for in season progression. They Can't simulate what players like Pouncey or even Suh have done. By making more players with high ratings they are trying to simulate what those guys have done or guy like Blount who weren't even drafted but had a solid rookie year. I'm not saying that rookies are rated perfect because they aren't. There is too much speed and too much size. Also they are too low on attributes like blocking for DLine and Lbers, or tackling for WR and RBs who are special teams players.

The big ones are to cut down the speed and make less of those once in a lifetime players. Players like Calvin Johnson or Patrick Willis are no longer special when all rookies are freaks of nature. Also once regression is boosted up a little bit then current stars will become average players while younger guys take their place.

On a side note when are they going to remove the ratings that don't affect in game play? Like run block, pass block. Why not change awareness as well. Awareness should be offensive awareness and play recognition should be defensive awareness

[solo0786]

Re: Why are generated rookies in M11 so highly-rated?

I think pouncey was the all pro center not just voted into pro bowl. I think thats decided by other players in the nfl i could be wrong though