Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

[PSUlions15]

As, the title states, just wondering, because I'm rebuilding the Royals and want to know when the right time is to move up Moustakos or Hosmer.

[skow05]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

As, the title states, just wondering, because I'm rebuilding the Royals and want to know when the right time is to move up Moustakos or Hosmer.

I'd say look at their production at the level they are at. If you start both of them at AAA Omaha (I'm not certain that's where they are going to start this year?) just judge their "readiness" off of the stats. If you aren't getting production out of your MLB talent or there's an injury and they have steadily proved themselves at the AAA level, then give them a fair shake at sticking with the MLB club. If all else fails, give them a September call up and see how it plays out from there.

Just make sure you are going to give them an honest chance at sticking, don't wanna burn those options!

That'd be my suggestion, although I am a Cubs fan, and our judgment level of when to give a highly touted prospect a call up is not held in high regard. :wink:

[Crinos2]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

In the end, it's a game. On top of that, it's YOUR game. Seeing as how this is complete fantasy, bring them up when you want. After playing this game for years, there is no right or wrong time. Their minor league seasons have no real merit on how they're gonna do in the majors. I have Brent Morel up in my season, and through the end of May he was hitting .160 with 1 hr 7 rbi. Sent him down, he tore it up in June. .400+ avg, 5 hrs, 19 rbi. Brought him back up, played him all of July, still at .178 with 2 hrs and 11 rbi.

I understand wanting to play with some reality to it, but in the end the computer doesn't look at how a player is doing in the minors when they purchase their contract or bring them up. They bring up 18 year old A potential players and they bring up 28 yr old D potential players. Bad seasons don't cause regression in this game. As much as they want to say progression is a little stat based, it's not. If you're training them, they'll become studs. Just to show this, I have Lastings Milledge up as well. Even though he's got an F potential, in 30 games played, he's hitting .310 with 7 hrs and 22 rbi with 7 sb's. But he still hasn't gotten one upward pointing arrow in progression in any attribute.

Play the game how you see fit. If you wanna bring him up, bring him up. If you want to play it with some realism, if he's sucking in AAA, leave him there. If you just want to play with the players you want to play, use them. There is no right or wrong and people who judge you for using someone who won't be up this year in real life, well, that's their problem.

[skow05]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

In the end, it's a game. On top of that, it's YOUR game. Seeing as how this is complete fantasy, bring them up when you want. After playing this game for years, there is no right or wrong time. Their minor league seasons have no real merit on how they're gonna do in the majors. I have Brent Morel up in my season, and through the end of May he was hitting .160 with 1 hr 7 rbi. Sent him down, he tore it up in June. .400+ avg, 5 hrs, 19 rbi. Brought him back up, played him all of July, still at .178 with 2 hrs and 11 rbi.

I understand wanting to play with some reality to it, but in the end the computer doesn't look at how a player is doing in the minors when they purchase their contract or bring them up. They bring up 18 year old A potential players and they bring up 28 yr old D potential players. Bad seasons don't cause regression in this game. As much as they want to say progression is a little stat based, it's not. If you're training them, they'll become studs. Just to show this, I have Lastings Milledge up as well. Even though he's got an F potential, in 30 games played, he's hitting .310 with 7 hrs and 22 rbi with 7 sb's. But he still hasn't gotten one upward pointing arrow in progression in any attribute.

Play the game how you see fit. If you wanna bring him up, bring him up. If you want to play it with some realism, if he's sucking in AAA, leave him there. If you just want to play with the players you want to play, use them. There is no right or wrong and people who judge you for using someone who won't be up this year in real life, well, that's their problem.

Dang man, you are getting PRODUCTION out of Lastings. Although looking at your guys offensive production the last 2 games (IRL) it doesn't look like you'll need it!

There's a lot of truth to your post, I only responded that way because it seemed as if he wanted to keep it somewhat realistic.

The only problem would be finding spots for them, bench Aviles/Kila? You could platoon Francoeur and Hosmer and then move Aviles into a utility role since he plays 3 out of 4 IF spots.

I guess if the Cubs had a prospect as highly touted as Hosmer/Moose, I would have a hard time holding them back. Especially with the DH spot in the AL, you have a lot of different lineups you can play with to utilize whoever you have in the bench role.

Have fun with those 2, whatever you decide to do, they are gonna be a blast to play with.

[PSUlions15]

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I brought Moustakos up but, I'm having trouble pulling the trigger for Hosmer, because Kila has 14 HR's which is tied for 2nd in the AL. Itraded Butler for Manny who has 11 HR's, whos in the DH spot so Ican't move Kila there so Hosmer can play 1B. Im so confused.

[eyeamg0dly]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

butler for manny doesnt sound like a good trade, i dunno what manny's contract is like, but butler wouldnt be eligible for FA for a few more years if i remember correctly.

as far as bringing guys up, just evaluate the position they play and what your long term goal is. generally you want to bring your studs up after the trade deadline. why ? because they need 6 years service time to be a fa, and you can possibly milk out another season with them when they hit 5.5 service time. just depends on how your team is doing that year and what their contract looks like.

ultimately you want a window of opportunity, where your talent lines up and you can make a possible run to the playoffs. thats when you cash in all your minor league prospects for trades and/or sign the fa monsters to fill in the gap.

[Black59Razr]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

...as far as bringing guys up, just evaluate the position they play and what your long term goal is. generally you want to bring your studs up after the trade deadline. why ? because they need 6 years service time to be a fa, and you can possibly milk out another season with them when they hit 5.5 service time...

You may want to read this article. It talks about Super2 status, which may give your players arbitration 1 year early. To attempt to avoid this, do not bring the player up until an imaginary date around late May/early June. You do not have to wait until the break.

Larger market teams call this tactic unethical; smaller market teams call it moneyball.

[PSUlions15]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

butler for manny doesnt sound like a good trade, i dunno what manny's contract is like, but butler wouldnt be eligible for FA for a few more years if i remember correctly.

as far as bringing guys up, just evaluate the position they play and what your long term goal is. generally you want to bring your studs up after the trade deadline. why ? because they need 6 years service time to be a fa, and you can possibly milk out another season with them when they hit 5.5 service time. just depends on how your team is doing that year and what their contract looks like.

ultimately you want a window of opportunity, where your talent lines up and you can make a possible run to the playoffs. thats when you cash in all your minor league prospects for trades and/or sign the fa monsters to fill in the gap.

It is a good trade to me, Kila is already tearing it up and Hosmer is the next Joey Votto, so there was no need for Butler, to me he was just trade bait and Manny is hitting like the Manny of old so all-in-all to me it's a good trade.

[BrandH]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

Wait a sec. You traded Billy Butler for Manny Ramirez? I hope it wasn't straight up. You could of got a lot more for Billy Butler.

[Crinos2]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

It is a good trade to me, Kila is already tearing it up and Hosmer is the next Joey Votto, so there was no need for Butler, to me he was just trade bait and Manny is hitting like the Manny of old so all-in-all to me it's a good trade.

As long as it was a good trade for you, then you gotta love it. Just to give you a little more to think about though, the trade logic in this game is different this year, ONLY if you're playing 1-team control though. (Don't know how the next live update is going to affect 30-team control, but we won't go there right now) With that trade, the Rays really made out on you though. I understand you have talented players coming up, wanna stay young, get rid of older guys, etc. But in my franchise ( I just played with the regular roster updates) I got the Blue Jays to offer me Jon Rauch and Travis Snider for my AA #4 starter that was 20 yrs old with an A potential. Seeing as how the Sox on my game got 6 or 7 A potential young starters in the roster update, I took the deal. This year, teams will really try to make baseball type moves. Getting younger, beefing up for a playoff run, etc. This is finally a good aspect of the game and I haven't seen one trade yet that's been one-sided completely.

If you've followed other topics on here, the dev's have said that teams will no longer accept a trade like the Ray's offering Manny for the Phil's Domonic Brown. Meaning the Phil's understand the value they have in Brown being 23 with an A potential and he isn't worth a half year rental of Manny.

I re-start franchises here and there with certain roster updates, so taking the Snider trade for me right now isn't gonna kill how I think one team is affected by a trade right now. I'd say the next time you start a franchise, if you wanna unload Butler (which KC is never gonna do, he's their face) look for a team (i.e. Rays with no quality 1b) to get a better deal out of. KC needs more help than Manny, and I definitely think the Blue Jays would easily give you Snider and another A potential player for Butler. Just gotta mix and match. Obviously Butler only helps KC, so definitely take your time to pull a deal on him. You can get more than what you got last time.

[PSUlions15]

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Wait a sec. You traded Billy Butler for Manny Ramirez? I hope it wasn't straight up. You could of got a lot more for Billy Butler.

I'm playing as the Royals their minors are already stacked there was no need to rob the cpu for prospects I will not need.

[PSUlions15]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

As long as it was a good trade for you, then you gotta love it. Just to give you a little more to think about though, the trade logic in this game is different this year, ONLY if you're playing 1-team control though. (Don't know how the next live update is going to affect 30-team control, but we won't go there right now) With that trade, the Rays really made out on you though. I understand you have talented players coming up, wanna stay young, get rid of older guys, etc. But in my franchise ( I just played with the regular roster updates) I got the Blue Jays to offer me Jon Rauch and Travis Snider for my AA #4 starter that was 20 yrs old with an A potential. Seeing as how the Sox on my game got 6 or 7 A potential young starters in the roster update, I took the deal. This year, teams will really try to make baseball type moves. Getting younger, beefing up for a playoff run, etc. This is finally a good aspect of the game and I haven't seen one trade yet that's been one-sided completely.

If you've followed other topics on here, the dev's have said that teams will no longer accept a trade like the Ray's offering Manny for the Phil's Domonic Brown. Meaning the Phil's understand the value they have in Brown being 23 with an A potential and he isn't worth a half year rental of Manny.

I re-start franchises here and there with certain roster updates, so taking the Snider trade for me right now isn't gonna kill how I think one team is affected by a trade right now. I'd say the next time you start a franchise, if you wanna unload Butler (which KC is never gonna do, he's their face) look for a team (i.e. Rays with no quality 1b) to get a better deal out of. KC needs more help than Manny, and I definitely think the Blue Jays would easily give you Snider and another A potential player for Butler. Just gotta mix and match. Obviously Butler only helps KC, so definitely take your time to pull a deal on him. You can get more than what you got last time.

Actually, I know what you're saying but Manny is doing good 12 HR's, Butler I personally could not hit with, Kila is getting more playing time now that Butler's gone and he has 17 HR's which leads the Majors right now, I know I could get more but I didn't want slash/ need anything else, the Royals are in 2nd right now in the Central 2.0 GMs behind the Twins, I have sent 3 A prospects to Washington for Bryce Harper, so now I have more power and talent in the line-up and with Wil Myers and Hosmer in the minors still, when they come up this line-up just gonna get better. But I understand what your getting at.

[Black59Razr]

Re: Whens the right time to bring up Those STAR Rookies

...Just to give you a little more to think about though, the trade logic in this game is different this year, ONLY if you're playing 1-team control though. (Don't know how the next live update is going to affect 30-team control, but we won't go there right now)...

What is the difference in trade logic when on 1 team control? Trades seems legit when using 30 team control, 29 teams control lineups only, and 1 team total control.

I'm playing as the Royals their minors are already stacked there was no need to rob the cpu for prospects I will not need.

Nice! I got to check out this KC team!

[Neolithic]

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The differnce Razr, is not so much the logic is bad, it's more "neutral" in 30 team control teams don't adopt a logic "strategy" like going for it all, or rebuilding, etc. They won't swing one way or the other as far as dumping older guys for prospects if they are out of it, or trade away prospects for veterans if they are in a playoff hunt, going for it all this year type mode.

That's supposed to be fixed in the next patch though

[TheShowster]

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I brought Moustakos up but, I'm having trouble pulling the trigger for Hosmer, because Kila has 14 HR's which is tied for 2nd in the AL. Itraded Butler for Manny who has 11 HR's, whos in the DH spot so Ican't move Kila there so Hosmer can play 1B. Im so confused.

Quite possibly worst trade ever lol

In my current RTTS Billy Butler is hitting .348 with 38 HRs and 122 RBI in 512 AB's. (2014) Also BB is what, 24? He's a doubles machine, too.