Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

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  • adamgod8
    Rookie
    • Apr 2009
    • 449

    #256
    Re: Ian Cummings is out

    Good news.

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    • Smoke6
      MVP
      • Apr 2011
      • 1454

      #257
      Re: Ian Cummings is out

      Yea, it seemed like chemistry between players was non existent, its hard to grasp the fact that the "suits" restricts this development team the way its been reported or speculated as. This type of move may just bite them in the rear in the future and know will care about madden again if things dont go so swell with securing the license again.

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      • guaps
        Observer
        • Sep 2009
        • 694

        #258
        Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

        Originally posted by iBlievN5
        I don't know of a company that lets their employees do things that won't be blatantly favorable to their audience.
        Well, people often don't know what they want until you show it to them. If it hadn't been for Backbreaker, the 2k games, NHL, FIFA etc. people would not have demanded as much.
        Originally posted by iBlievN5
        do you not think Ian has bosses to answer to? that he and he alone decided what got to go into the video game? that he got to requisition his own resources?
        First of, I'm not talking about Ian. I'm talking about the whole team of senior developers. Second, I do know that they have bosses to answer to, but those same bosses have allowed fantastic things to happen with the NHL franchise and the FIFA franchise, so I don't see why Madden should be an exemption.
        Originally posted by iBlievN5
        When you have a product, bold and creative get you in the door, from there it's attempting to appease the crowd.
        I disagree. Time have shown the crowd pleasing have never been the first best option. Had it not been for continuously bold and creative development, companies like Sony and Apple would not have been where they are today.
        Last edited by guaps; 04-13-2011, 10:04 AM.

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        • pasgedden
          Banned
          • Apr 2011
          • 9

          #259
          Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

          Originally posted by guaps
          Regardless of who leaves Tiburon, it is important that the new team introduces a new direction for Madden. The current direction has become uninspiring and uncreative IMO. The current team relies too heavily on market research and polling for new features - the data shows this, the data shows that - that they end up only putting in 'safe' features that people have voted for or have been confirmed to be a good idea by some data, instead of presenting bold and creative ideas for football video gaming.

          I hope so but all that data and research stuff sounds like Corp. talk to me.. IMO! All I'm saying IMO, its seems EA doesn't care if Madden is good or not they only care if it sales and if they obey the NFL overall concerns.. IMO..
          IMO Ian has achieved NOTHING in sim gaming. But maybe he created a new genre or put Madden in another category all together "Sports Entertainment" IMO.. Better?

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          • Smoke6
            MVP
            • Apr 2011
            • 1454

            #260
            Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

            Originally posted by pasgedden
            I hope so but all that data and research stuff sounds like Corp. talk to me.. IMO! All I'm saying IMO, its seems EA doesn't care if Madden is good or not they only care if it sales and if they obey the NFL overall concerns.. IMO..
            IMO Ian has achieved NOTHING in sim gaming. But maybe he created a new genre or put Madden in another category all together "Sports Entertainment" IMO.. Better?

            Yea, the debate of madden being SIM or NOT is pretty big and kinda one of those sensitive issues that people tend not to talk about a lot. Now people who were once SIM players are the ones making an excuse out of how to define the word SIM when it comes to madden "because its only a game".

            IMO, madden's lost its identity catering to 3 types of gamers, the casuals, hardcore SIM players, and the tourney crowd. I say focus on being SIM, this tourney crap has gotten out of hand and turned a lot of people away from this game along with the casual aspects.

            Its just not fun or intriguing to sit there and get battered online to someone who makes his gaming career abusing exploits in the game and then using EA's own motto as an excuse.

            This company needs a reality check real badly and this may be the start of one. If not, then someone somewhere will do it with or without the NFL license. We all have played and enjoyed football games in the past without the names and just team likeness's, Tecmo Bowl, Joe Montana Sports Talks series, Pro football on the Turbo GFX 16 etc.

            Its not gonna hurt anyone when the next game comes out that does what madden should have been doing regardless of NFL or not. Thats how the madden this gen has me feeling and im pretty sure im not alone.

            Right now im so starving for gameplay, im willing to give anyone or any game a chance at getting it right if M12 falls short this year.

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            • CRMosier_LM
              Banned
              • Jul 2009
              • 2061

              #261
              Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

              Originally posted by pasgedden
              I hope so but all that data and research stuff sounds like Corp. talk to me.. IMO! All I'm saying IMO, its seems EA doesn't care if Madden is good or not they only care if it sales and if they obey the NFL overall concerns.. IMO..
              IMO Ian has achieved NOTHING in sim gaming. But maybe he created a new genre or put Madden in another category all together "Sports Entertainment" IMO.. Better?
              Not to pick... But did you play this gen versions before he took over? If so how can you say he accomplished nothing. The game is 50 times better than those 1st 2 or
              3 versions. Therefore he obviously improved the game from the turd he was dealt.
              Last edited by CRMosier_LM; 04-13-2011, 10:38 AM. Reason: phone cant spell

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              • Broncos86
                Orange and Blue!
                • May 2009
                • 5505

                #262
                Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                Originally posted by ScriptOhio
                Not to pick... But did you play this gen versions before he took over? If so how can you say he accomplished nothing. The game is 50 times better than those 1st 2 or
                3 versions. Therefore he obviously improved the game from the tard he was dealt.
                For certain. Madden 09 was a terrible game. Ian did a fine job getting a more realistic running game, helping to advance gang tackles, and more. Anyone willing to say Ian Cummings did nothing is simply trolling or hating for the sake of hate. he's had two iterations with the franchise, and likely had his hands tied in terms of development cost (starting from scratch, etc). He did darn well in those two years.

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                • Tyrant8RDFL
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3563

                  #263
                  Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                  This does not surprise me. First let me say I wish Ian and those that will follow well.

                  My reason for not being surprised about this is because of how well NCAA is doing. Now I'm not sure if they are going this route. This is just speculation on my behalf, but a few months ago I asked myself. Why does EA have two separate teams to make a NFL and a NCAA game?

                  When NCAA plays a solid game, and all they have to do is use the same codes, and just adjust the rules, stadiums, and uniforms respectively for each league. Why not just use one team. Just expand it a little.

                  This will save EA a ton of money, and it pretty much guarantees a solid NCAA, and NFL game to the consumer.

                  Again just something that entered my mind a few months ago, and would not surprise me at all if this is the route they choose.
                  Simply *Magic* Just click the link and Watch :)
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                  • pasgedden
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 9

                    #264
                    Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                    Originally posted by Smoke6
                    Yea, the debate of madden being SIM or NOT is pretty big and kinda one of those sensitive issues that people tend not to talk about a lot. Now people who were once SIM players are the ones making an excuse out of how to define the word SIM when it comes to madden "because its only a game".

                    IMO, madden's lost its identity catering to 3 types of gamers, the casuals, hardcore SIM players, and the tourney crowd. I say focus on being SIM, this tourney crap has gotten out of hand and turned a lot of people away from this game along with the casual aspects.

                    Its just not fun or intriguing to sit there and get battered online to someone who makes his gaming career abusing exploits in the game and then using EA's own motto as an excuse.

                    This company needs a reality check real badly and this may be the start of one. If not, then someone somewhere will do it with or without the NFL license. We all have played and enjoyed football games in the past without the names and just team likeness's, Tecmo Bowl, Joe Montana Sports Talks series, Pro football on the Turbo GFX 16 etc.

                    Its not gonna hurt anyone when the next game comes out that does what madden should have been doing regardless of NFL or not. Thats how the madden this gen has me feeling and im pretty sure im not alone.

                    Right now im so starving for gameplay, im willing to give anyone or any game a chance at getting it right if M12 falls short this year.
                    Which it will IMO.. I really can't wait to see the faces of people who is hoping for the game to get or be better waste another $60 on it.. Because this year's Madden already has proven it will be the same damn game as last year you just have to look really close at that Madden 12 teaser trailer... wait for it wait for it pooop AhhhHhhHHhhHh IMO.... There it goes...

                    Seriously IMO Madden has no chance of becoming a better game "gameplay wise" until they get some real "sales" competition.. But if you think about If EA is trying to sale Madden as just a game not a sports game.. (meaning a game that can be compared to Halo, COD(s) or GTA's) Then it fails to even compare in sales...

                    Hmm the only way they could keep up is to loosely produce a game year end and year that doesn't have high development costs but makes money.. (Hmm game could that be...?) Compared to other games that maybe be in development for years, Madden comes out every year.. So I guess EA makes up for it... Hmmmm speculation... YES but maybe true.... Great for business but horrible for consumers.... IMO lmao just sayin...........

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                    • quietcool72
                      Pro
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 995

                      #265
                      Haven't read this whole thread, but I see Pasta is reporting that Madden 12 is being pushed back 3 weeks til August 31st. That in itself doesn't mean much to me. They may want to milk some College FB sales more than usual due to the NFL probably not even playing in the first few weeks.

                      However, what we do know is this. Madden Community Manager RAC (Will Kinsler) left EA a month and a half ago for **** Games. Now the Ian Cummings (and others) defection.

                      Put it all together, and things down in Orlando don't look too inspiring for Madden 12.

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                      • GGEden
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 228

                        #266
                        Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                        Good post, Smoke6.
                        Kilroy was here

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                        • TreFacTor
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 1138

                          #267
                          Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                          Originally posted by ScriptOhio
                          Not to pick... But did you play this gen versions before he took over? If so how can you say he accomplished nothing. The game is 50 times better than those 1st 2 or
                          3 versions. Therefore he obviously improved the game from the tard he was dealt.
                          I think everyone is giving, and has been giving Ian too much credit for either the good or bad that is in this gen madden.

                          In three iterations of Madden there has been
                          -Online leagues, madden IQ, EA backtrack, Virtual Madden, "hit stick 2.0"
                          -Protak, presentation, online franchise, QB specific mechanics, Pocket awareness
                          -stratpad, reworked locomotion, gameflow, gameplan

                          How much of any of those additions can be credited directly to Ian, the good and bad? Ian could have been more of an emissary to convey what the community wanted instead of being the head guy in charge like many believe. At any rate, I would not got to the extent to say that Ian is the reason madden is good or bad or the same. The foundation was laid before he step foot in the arena, and I'm certain he did his best to make madden better, in the end it wasn't enough for many of us and it's going to take a hell of a lot to change my opinion on any future madden with or without Ian.
                          Proud Beta tester for NFL 2K Dreamcast
                          "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

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                          • pasgedden
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 9

                            #268
                            Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                            Originally posted by ScriptOhio
                            Not to pick... But did you play this gen versions before he took over? If so how can you say he accomplished nothing. The game is 50 times better than those 1st 2 or
                            3 versions. Therefore he obviously improved the game from the turd he was dealt.
                            I played and brought Madden 06-08 rented 09 rented 10...
                            So yes I played... but wait have you seen or played Madden 09 for ps1??? Ummm the reason why I say he did nothing is because Madden last gen is better gameplay wise.. IMO the gang tackle "feature" that he or his team added is not done right.. And it doesn't make since.... How can have up to 9 people gang tackling someone and STILL HAVE TACKLE(s) OR FALL DOWN ANIMATIONS WERE NEAR BY WOULD BE TACKLERS CANT TACKLE or INTERACT WITH THE BALL CARRIER WHO IS FALLING DOWN forward or whatever the situation is.... Not to pick with the capital letters..

                            The idea is good but not executed well at all IMO.. Gang tackles is not a feature btw its part of football, period!

                            So if a Straight A student got all A's throughout school but the last 4 years got C's instead of those A's but Managed to get a b+ "at best" his/her last year accomplishing anything go right ahead.. lol Its a free country IMO...

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                            • Smoke6
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 1454

                              #269
                              Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                              Originally posted by GGEden
                              Good post, Smoke6.
                              Thanks,

                              As I browse this forum, I notice that EA has the "25 new Plays" in some threads and its puzzling that most people have forgotten just how dumb downed madden 11's play books were. Now they're being introduced as "NEW PLAYS' is just puzzling to me and tell me that marketing really thinks we are dumb or the 25-40 yr old crowd doesnt play madden anymore and know one under that will notice.

                              EA needs to hire someone to slap the smile off there marketer's face, I have my degree in marketing but never pursued it due to the economy. Since they seem to be the driving force behind the developing team, what would it hurt to get someone in there who can get the job done and the game back where it needs to be.

                              This is gonna be the last straw for most gamers here including myself. If it wasnt for the sim community i play in every year, i'd been and abandoned madden after 08, but at the same time its all we got.

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                              • Smoke6
                                MVP
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 1454

                                #270
                                Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

                                Originally posted by pasgedden
                                I played and brought Madden 06-08 rented 09 rented 10...
                                So yes I played... but wait have you seen or played Madden 09 for ps1??? Ummm the reason why I say he did nothing is because Madden last gen is better gameplay wise.. IMO the gang tackle "feature" that he or his team added is not done right.. And it doesn't make since.... How can have up to 9 people gang tackling someone and STILL HAVE TACKLE(s) OR FALL DOWN ANIMATIONS WERE NEAR BY WOULD BE TACKLERS CANT TACKLE or INTERACT WITH THE BALL CARRIER WHO IS FALLING DOWN forward or whatever the situation is.... Not to pick with the capital letters..

                                The idea is good but not executed well at all IMO.. Gang tackles is not a feature btw its part of football, period!

                                So if a Straight A student got all A's throughout school but the last 4 years got C's instead of those A's but Managed to get a b+ "at best" his/her last year accomplishing anything go right ahead.. lol Its a free country IMO...
                                The biggest issue is that they're not using the hardware like everyone else has. Their main console is the 360 and it should be switched to take advantage of the PS3's Blu ray disc space and features and then port. There's no reason to have all that available and you're not even using a 1/4 of whats available out of that system(s).

                                Stadiums should almost be life like in look and feel and they should go back to that 06 engine. Something tells me they will but not this gen, they basically gave us xbox 1 in HD this gen and then slowly added features over the course of this gen when they all should have been there from the start.

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