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Yea, it seemed like chemistry between players was non existent, its hard to grasp the fact that the "suits" restricts this development team the way its been reported or speculated as. This type of move may just bite them in the rear in the future and know will care about madden again if things dont go so swell with securing the license again.Comment
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I disagree. Time have shown the crowd pleasing have never been the first best option. Had it not been for continuously bold and creative development, companies like Sony and Apple would not have been where they are today.Last edited by guaps; 04-13-2011, 10:04 AM.Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
Regardless of who leaves Tiburon, it is important that the new team introduces a new direction for Madden. The current direction has become uninspiring and uncreative IMO. The current team relies too heavily on market research and polling for new features - the data shows this, the data shows that - that they end up only putting in 'safe' features that people have voted for or have been confirmed to be a good idea by some data, instead of presenting bold and creative ideas for football video gaming.
I hope so but all that data and research stuff sounds like Corp. talk to me.. IMO! All I'm saying IMO, its seems EA doesn't care if Madden is good or not they only care if it sales and if they obey the NFL overall concerns.. IMO..
IMO Ian has achieved NOTHING in sim gaming. But maybe he created a new genre or put Madden in another category all together "Sports Entertainment" IMO.. Better?Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
I hope so but all that data and research stuff sounds like Corp. talk to me.. IMO! All I'm saying IMO, its seems EA doesn't care if Madden is good or not they only care if it sales and if they obey the NFL overall concerns.. IMO..
IMO Ian has achieved NOTHING in sim gaming. But maybe he created a new genre or put Madden in another category all together "Sports Entertainment" IMO.. Better?
Yea, the debate of madden being SIM or NOT is pretty big and kinda one of those sensitive issues that people tend not to talk about a lot. Now people who were once SIM players are the ones making an excuse out of how to define the word SIM when it comes to madden "because its only a game".
IMO, madden's lost its identity catering to 3 types of gamers, the casuals, hardcore SIM players, and the tourney crowd. I say focus on being SIM, this tourney crap has gotten out of hand and turned a lot of people away from this game along with the casual aspects.
Its just not fun or intriguing to sit there and get battered online to someone who makes his gaming career abusing exploits in the game and then using EA's own motto as an excuse.
This company needs a reality check real badly and this may be the start of one. If not, then someone somewhere will do it with or without the NFL license. We all have played and enjoyed football games in the past without the names and just team likeness's, Tecmo Bowl, Joe Montana Sports Talks series, Pro football on the Turbo GFX 16 etc.
Its not gonna hurt anyone when the next game comes out that does what madden should have been doing regardless of NFL or not. Thats how the madden this gen has me feeling and im pretty sure im not alone.
Right now im so starving for gameplay, im willing to give anyone or any game a chance at getting it right if M12 falls short this year.Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
I hope so but all that data and research stuff sounds like Corp. talk to me.. IMO! All I'm saying IMO, its seems EA doesn't care if Madden is good or not they only care if it sales and if they obey the NFL overall concerns.. IMO..
IMO Ian has achieved NOTHING in sim gaming. But maybe he created a new genre or put Madden in another category all together "Sports Entertainment" IMO.. Better?
3 versions. Therefore he obviously improved the game from the turd he was dealt.Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
For certain. Madden 09 was a terrible game. Ian did a fine job getting a more realistic running game, helping to advance gang tackles, and more. Anyone willing to say Ian Cummings did nothing is simply trolling or hating for the sake of hate. he's had two iterations with the franchise, and likely had his hands tied in terms of development cost (starting from scratch, etc). He did darn well in those two years.Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
This does not surprise me. First let me say I wish Ian and those that will follow well.
My reason for not being surprised about this is because of how well NCAA is doing. Now I'm not sure if they are going this route. This is just speculation on my behalf, but a few months ago I asked myself. Why does EA have two separate teams to make a NFL and a NCAA game?
When NCAA plays a solid game, and all they have to do is use the same codes, and just adjust the rules, stadiums, and uniforms respectively for each league. Why not just use one team. Just expand it a little.
This will save EA a ton of money, and it pretty much guarantees a solid NCAA, and NFL game to the consumer.
Again just something that entered my mind a few months ago, and would not surprise me at all if this is the route they choose.Simply *Magic* Just click the link and Watch :)
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
Yea, the debate of madden being SIM or NOT is pretty big and kinda one of those sensitive issues that people tend not to talk about a lot. Now people who were once SIM players are the ones making an excuse out of how to define the word SIM when it comes to madden "because its only a game".
IMO, madden's lost its identity catering to 3 types of gamers, the casuals, hardcore SIM players, and the tourney crowd. I say focus on being SIM, this tourney crap has gotten out of hand and turned a lot of people away from this game along with the casual aspects.
Its just not fun or intriguing to sit there and get battered online to someone who makes his gaming career abusing exploits in the game and then using EA's own motto as an excuse.
This company needs a reality check real badly and this may be the start of one. If not, then someone somewhere will do it with or without the NFL license. We all have played and enjoyed football games in the past without the names and just team likeness's, Tecmo Bowl, Joe Montana Sports Talks series, Pro football on the Turbo GFX 16 etc.
Its not gonna hurt anyone when the next game comes out that does what madden should have been doing regardless of NFL or not. Thats how the madden this gen has me feeling and im pretty sure im not alone.
Right now im so starving for gameplay, im willing to give anyone or any game a chance at getting it right if M12 falls short this year.
Seriously IMO Madden has no chance of becoming a better game "gameplay wise" until they get some real "sales" competition.. But if you think about If EA is trying to sale Madden as just a game not a sports game.. (meaning a game that can be compared to Halo, COD(s) or GTA's) Then it fails to even compare in sales...
Hmm the only way they could keep up is to loosely produce a game year end and year that doesn't have high development costs but makes money.. (Hmm game could that be...?) Compared to other games that maybe be in development for years, Madden comes out every year.. So I guess EA makes up for it... Hmmmm speculation... YES but maybe true.... Great for business but horrible for consumers.... IMO lmao just sayin...........Comment
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Haven't read this whole thread, but I see Pasta is reporting that Madden 12 is being pushed back 3 weeks til August 31st. That in itself doesn't mean much to me. They may want to milk some College FB sales more than usual due to the NFL probably not even playing in the first few weeks.
However, what we do know is this. Madden Community Manager RAC (Will Kinsler) left EA a month and a half ago for **** Games. Now the Ian Cummings (and others) defection.
Put it all together, and things down in Orlando don't look too inspiring for Madden 12.Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
In three iterations of Madden there has been
-Online leagues, madden IQ, EA backtrack, Virtual Madden, "hit stick 2.0"
-Protak, presentation, online franchise, QB specific mechanics, Pocket awareness
-stratpad, reworked locomotion, gameflow, gameplan
How much of any of those additions can be credited directly to Ian, the good and bad? Ian could have been more of an emissary to convey what the community wanted instead of being the head guy in charge like many believe. At any rate, I would not got to the extent to say that Ian is the reason madden is good or bad or the same. The foundation was laid before he step foot in the arena, and I'm certain he did his best to make madden better, in the end it wasn't enough for many of us and it's going to take a hell of a lot to change my opinion on any future madden with or without Ian.Proud Beta tester for NFL 2K Dreamcast
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
So yes I played... but wait have you seen or played Madden 09 for ps1??? Ummm the reason why I say he did nothing is because Madden last gen is better gameplay wise.. IMO the gang tackle "feature" that he or his team added is not done right.. And it doesn't make since.... How can have up to 9 people gang tackling someone and STILL HAVE TACKLE(s) OR FALL DOWN ANIMATIONS WERE NEAR BY WOULD BE TACKLERS CANT TACKLE or INTERACT WITH THE BALL CARRIER WHO IS FALLING DOWN forward or whatever the situation is.... Not to pick with the capital letters..
The idea is good but not executed well at all IMO.. Gang tackles is not a feature btw its part of football, period!
So if a Straight A student got all A's throughout school but the last 4 years got C'sinstead of those A's but Managed to get a b+ "at best" his/her last year accomplishing anything go right ahead.. lol Its a free country IMO...
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
Thanks,
As I browse this forum, I notice that EA has the "25 new Plays" in some threads and its puzzling that most people have forgotten just how dumb downed madden 11's play books were. Now they're being introduced as "NEW PLAYS' is just puzzling to me and tell me that marketing really thinks we are dumb or the 25-40 yr old crowd doesnt play madden anymore and know one under that will notice.
EA needs to hire someone to slap the smile off there marketer's face, I have my degree in marketing but never pursued it due to the economy. Since they seem to be the driving force behind the developing team, what would it hurt to get someone in there who can get the job done and the game back where it needs to be.
This is gonna be the last straw for most gamers here including myself. If it wasnt for the sim community i play in every year, i'd been and abandoned madden after 08, but at the same time its all we got.Comment
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Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon
I played and brought Madden 06-08 rented 09 rented 10...
So yes I played... but wait have you seen or played Madden 09 for ps1??? Ummm the reason why I say he did nothing is because Madden last gen is better gameplay wise.. IMO the gang tackle "feature" that he or his team added is not done right.. And it doesn't make since.... How can have up to 9 people gang tackling someone and STILL HAVE TACKLE(s) OR FALL DOWN ANIMATIONS WERE NEAR BY WOULD BE TACKLERS CANT TACKLE or INTERACT WITH THE BALL CARRIER WHO IS FALLING DOWN forward or whatever the situation is.... Not to pick with the capital letters..
The idea is good but not executed well at all IMO.. Gang tackles is not a feature btw its part of football, period!
So if a Straight A student got all A's throughout school but the last 4 years got C'sinstead of those A's but Managed to get a b+ "at best" his/her last year accomplishing anything go right ahead.. lol Its a free country IMO...
Stadiums should almost be life like in look and feel and they should go back to that 06 engine. Something tells me they will but not this gen, they basically gave us xbox 1 in HD this gen and then slowly added features over the course of this gen when they all should have been there from the start.Comment
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