Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

You and I had a ratings discussion a couple weeks ago, and you conceded that they did mean something. Now they're are back to being meaningless? Suh doesn't dominate in M11? . 90+ OL don't stonewall defenders?

I guess my point is that there are SO many variables to ratings that it's really inconclusive (and inaccurate) to continue to blindly say they don't work.

They're meaningless in the trenches, are they not ? Can you stone wall Suh with a player that weight 160 lbs. ? Are you telling me that you haven't seen all of the video footage proving this fact. Meaning a little bit, AKA something, is basically the same as meaning nothing. If you want to get hung up on words, enjoy yourself.

[ryan36]

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They're meaningless in the trenches, are they not ? Can you stone wall Suh with a player that weight 160 lbs. ? Are you telling me that you haven't seen all of the video footage proving this fact. Meaning a little bit, AKA something, is basically the same as meaning nothing. If you want to get hung up on words, enjoy yourself.

Calm down, man. We all know you're right and rgiles36 is wrong, it's plain to see. There is no way someone could have a different opinion about what they see, and have be as legitimate as yours, we know, we know, we know...

[da ThRONe]

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1st I would like to wish Ian the very best in his new endeavor.

I'm one of the people that believe that the main lead isn't as important to the direction of Madden as much as the suits. Until the theme is sim equal sells I don't think it matters who the lead is, but hopefully the new lead will interact with the public as much if not more than Ian and company.

[spankdatazz22]

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Another good post.Idk if it's the implementation or the direction at Tiburon, but somewhere things get crossed up.

Don't get it myself. They built a studio dedicated to making football games. They likely have the largest development team for a sports game (or one of), and yet they infer they don't have the resources to do [what they want to do] when other companies working with FAR more restrictions and lesser resources can say they've made more substantial accomplishments. Like someone else said even when they introduce a good feature, they never seem to build on it.

[ryan36]

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Don't get it myself. They built a studio dedicated to making football games. They likely have the largest development team for a sports game (or one of), and yet they infer they don't have the resources to do [what they want to do] when other companies working with FAR more restrictions and lesser resources can say they've made more substantial accomplishments. Like someone else said even when they introduce a good feature, they never seem to build on it.

Well IF this statement is true, (which I can't speak to because I'm not there)... there are a lot of companies which are smaller more mobile and innovative and more willing to take risks... its' fairly common across business.

[SageInfinite]

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Don't get it myself. They built a studio dedicated to making football games. They likely have the largest development team for a sports game (or one of), and yet they infer they don't have the resources to do [what they want to do] when other companies working with FAR more restrictions and lesser resources can say they've made more substantial accomplishments. Like someone else said even when they introduce a good feature, they never seem to build on it.

So is it really just a lack of talent? Is it the code that they built coming into this gen? It seems like Tiburon/EA has everything they need to make the best representation of the NFL. Everyone has said it isn't the lack of effort, and most of us have concluded that it isn't lack of resources. So it's either the direction, or they just can't do it(lack of talent).

[K_GUN]

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So is it really just a lack of talent? Is it the code that they built coming into this gen? It seems like Tiburon/EA has everything they need to make the best representation of the NFL. Everyone has said it isn't the lack of effort, and most of us have concluded that it isn't lack of resources. So it's either the direction, or they just can't do it(lack of talent).

perhaps the equipment/hardware they have to use is inferior/outdated

[djordan]

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Its the lack of talent plain and damn simple. Im tired of people saying "UGHH THE BIG WIGS SAID THEY CAN'T PROGRAM 2-3 MAN REALISTIC GANG TACKLES SO GIVE THE DEVS A BREAK"....

HORSE****!!. We are in YEAR 6 OF PS3/XBOX 360 CONSOLES AND YOU MEAN TO TELL ME MOST OF THE FEATURES FROM PS2/XBOX ARE STILL MISSING FROM THIS GAME AS OF NOW???? Mannnn.... Back in 2005 if you would've told me there would be no true gang tackling, no DB shade inside/outside,no proper half time show, no realistic running animations, smooth animation transition, etc I would've laughed in your face.... Check this out... Nfl Fever had hand towels in year 2003 for example and that was on the original Xbox... Why did it take EA Tiburon 7 years total (5 years on superior hardware) to implement hand towels? Makes no sense..

All I can do is "SMH" at EA Tiburon for the product they continue to put out this generation. I continue to buy Madden every year because its the only football game out there and its not a horrible game but I know if we get some fresh developers in here it may change for the better.

[SageInfinite]

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Its the lack of talent plain and damn simple. Im tired of people saying "UGHH THE BIG WIGS SAID THEY CAN'T PROGRAM 2-3 MAN REALISTIC GANG TACKLES SO GIVE THE DEVS A BREAK"....

HORSES***!!. We are in YEAR 6 OF PS3/XBOX 360 CONSOLES AND YOU MEAN TO TELL ME MOST OF THE FEATURES FROM PS2/XBOX ARE STILL MISSING FROM THIS GAME AS OF NOW???? Mannnn.... Back in 2005 if you would've told me there would be no true gang tackling, no DB shade inside/outside,no proper half time show, no realistic running animations, smooth animation transition, etc I would've laughed in your face.... Check this out... Nfl Fever had hand towels in year 2003 for example and that was on the original Xbox... Why did it take EA Tiburon 7 years total (5 years on superior hardware) to implement hand towels? Makes no sense..

All I can do is "SMH" at EA Tiburon for the product they continue to put out this generation. I continue to buy Madden every year because its the only football game out there and its not a horrible game but I know if we get some fresh developers in here it may change for the better.

You still gotta remember no matter who is in there, its still ea. They don't hide the fact that they are run from the top down.

[Kevin26385]

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I figured Ian was leaving when PP broke the news on Sunday...Hopefully the team can rebound from this!

[da ThRONe]

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Its the lack of talent plain and damn simple. Im tired of people saying "UGHH THE BIG WIGS SAID THEY CAN'T PROGRAM 2-3 MAN REALISTIC GANG TACKLES SO GIVE THE DEVS A BREAK"....

HORSES***!!. We are in YEAR 6 OF PS3/XBOX 360 CONSOLES AND YOU MEAN TO TELL ME MOST OF THE FEATURES FROM PS2/XBOX ARE STILL MISSING FROM THIS GAME AS OF NOW???? Mannnn.... Back in 2005 if you would've told me there would be no true gang tackling, no DB shade inside/outside,no proper half time show, no realistic running animations, smooth animation transition, etc I would've laughed in your face.... Check this out... Nfl Fever had hand towels in year 2003 for example and that was on the original Xbox... Why did it take EA Tiburon 7 years total (5 years on superior hardware) to implement hand towels? Makes no sense..

All I can do is "SMH" at EA Tiburon for the product they continue to put out this generation. I continue to buy Madden every year because its the only football game out there and its not a horrible game but I know if we get some fresh developers in here it may change for the better.

Not that any of us know for sure, but if the "Big wigs" are placing higher priority on non-sim features and only giving so much resources for sim addition that would definitely limit even the most gifted programmers.

[lofeazy]

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So is it really just a lack of talent? Is it the code that they built coming into this gen? It seems like Tiburon/EA has everything they need to make the best representation of the NFL. Everyone has said it isn't the lack of effort, and most of us have concluded that it isn't lack of resources. So it's either the direction, or they just can't do it(lack of talent).

great post.

I always think it was a talent issue.We'll find out if this new company make's it big are not.

[ryan36]

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When you talk about resources, EA corporation has - that's unlimited, almost.

When you talk about the resources that are allocated to dev cost, that's completely different. And usually not in the dev teams purview. It's like if you have rich parents but they only buy you one pair of shoes per year.

[jWILL253]

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Yeah, problems seem to be mounting for EA Sports as a whole. First "Elitegate", and now this.

It's funny. A good friend of mine works for a relatively large company, making 6 figures per year. She says that it's the employee's responsibility to handle the workload, the boss just assigns it. So, as far as whether Tiburon is competent enough to develop football titles, I'll leave that argument to y'all.

Having said that, in my opinion, video games = art, but it's also a business. And, if your actions as a businessman not only hinder your employee's ability to even do it's job properly, but also hinder the product as a whole, then you CLEARLY need to change the way you do business...

[SageInfinite]

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Yeah, problems seem to be mounting for EA Sports as a whole. First "Elitegate", and now this.

It's funny. A good friend of mine works for a relatively large company, making 6 figures per year. She says that it's the employee's responsibility to handle the workload, the boss just assigns it. So, as far as whether Tiburon is competent enough to develop football titles, I'll leave that argument to y'all.

Having said that, in my opinion, video games = art, but it's also a business. And, if your actions as a businessman not only hinder your employee's ability to even do it's job properly, but also hinder the product as a whole, then you CLEARLY need to change the way you do business...

Good Post.