Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

Oh yea I totally agree. You will always have those select few who feel the need to go "there". EA/Tiburon has definitely given them alot of ammo this gen though, lol.

EA certainly deserves more than it's share of criticism. But some of the stuff, in this very thread even is ridiculous.

I mean EA's problem is that they dev on the 360 instead of the PS3 because of Bluray? I mean really? That's simply stupid.. And just an example of people reaching in order to lodge a complaint.

Another guy saying EA's problem is they aren't hiring enough guys with computer science degrees? I wonder if they realize how many pioneers of this industry don't even have a HS diploma, or how the lead programmer for NFL 2k5 and APF, didn't get his degree in computer science but in another field.

Or that Ian must have been fired because he went to a startup? Uh, duh, that's how the tech field works for the most part.

It's the same people every time. Continually spewing stuff that simply isn't true to further their agenda or to try to prove some point.

[RazzBerry80]

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And so the agenda becomes clear.

No I wouldn't get upset. I would simply stop eating cheeseburgers. If they wanted my business they'd improve their product. If they don't I'd move on. I certainly would't keep throwing good money after bad if they made a product I didn't like, and I knew they made a product I didn't like. If I keep buying cheeseburgers, knowing I don't like them, then that's on me, not the cook or the chef or resturaunt.

It goes down to the how many times do you have to burn your hand before you learn. If you keep spending your money over and over and over again, on something that you don't like, that's quite simply your fault.





Didn't poke fun at his spelling. I poked fun at the fact he was going on and on about physics, and the guy really has no idea what physics really are.

As I said, I could certainly see that ratings did indeed matter for line play.

From the past few days, it's become quite obvious you really know nothing about software development. I am not sure what the spending more money on this or that means. If you have techincal issues, simply throwing more bodies and cash at the problems does not mean they are going to get fixed. Software development simply doesn't work that way.

It's quite obvious you don't like the game, never will. It's also quite obvious as to what your endgame is. Why you spend so much time and effort ranting about something you don't like, I don't get. It's a hobby as soon as it stops being fun, move on.

Who are you to tell people to give up on something they love?
People don't have to give up on things they love. Sometimes you have no other option but to make your voice heard. Anything less would be to give up.

About the video showing Suh get stonewalled by the 160 pound kicker that did not bother you? The point is not that you would have a kicker in to block, but highlighting a serious flaw in how an important part of the game works.

IF EA Sports responds to such things in the manner you did, it is no wonder that Madden continues to disappoint. Just sweep it under the rug.

I am of the mind that the more Maddens failings become public knowlege, (like the Suh video) the more changes EA will have to make to Madden to get it up to par and beyond.

[SageInfinite]

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EA certainly deserves more than it's share of criticism. But some of the stuff, in this very thread even is ridiculous.

I mean EA's problem is that they dev on the 360 instead of the PS3 because of Bluray? I mean really? That's simply stupid.. And just an example of people reaching in order to lodge a complaint.

Another guy saying EA's problem is they aren't hiring enough guys with computer science degrees? I wonder if they realize how many pioneers of this industry don't even have a HS diploma, or how the lead programmer for NFL 2k5 and APF, didn't get his degree in computer science but in another field.

Or that Ian must have been fired because he went to a startup? Uh, duh, that's how the tech field works for the most part.

It's the same people every time. Continually spewing stuff that simply isn't true to further their agenda or to try to prove some point.

I agree. Some attempts just come off as desperate. Not personally calling out anyone in this thread as desperate, but some things do come off as last resort reasons/excuses.

[bkrich83]

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Who are you to tell people to give up on something they love?
People don't have to give up on things they love. Sometimes you have no other option but to make your voice heard. Anything less would be to give up.

Didn't tell them to give up. I said if you keep spending 60 bucks on something that you don't like, and 60 bucks is a lot to you, it's on youm not EA. I also said Hobbies are supposed to be fun. If it's no longer fun, then may you should move on. Obviously Madden is something they don't love.

About the video showing Suh get stonewalled by the 160 pound kicker that did not bother you? The point is not that you would have a kicker in to block, but highlighting a serious flaw in how an inmportant part of the game works.

In my games, Suh was dominant. What happens in a test that takes things outside of how the game was designed and controlled by people who have an obvious agenda, I could care less about. Suh for example (I played a Lions franchise) performed as I would expect he would. After that I could care less.

IF EA Sports responds to such things in the manner you did, it is no wonder that Madden continues to disappoint. Just sweep it under the rug.

I am of the mind that the more Maddens failings become public knowlege, (like the Suh video) the more changes EA will have to make to Madden to get it up to par and beyond.

Sweep it under the rug? This is Madden not a governmental conspriacy. Let's keep it in perspective. I already said the second I stop having fun, is the second I stop spending money. That's really what EA sees. you think they could care less what some guy on youtube shows? No.. They care about the bottom line and the bottom line only. Like any large corporation.

[Hooe]

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Who are you to tell people to give up on something they love?

If you've been complaining nonstop about every last thing about the game for the past three years and go out of your way to find things that you deem "wrong" about it, do you really love it?

And I question whether "love" has anything to do with the simple logic presented of "if you don't like it, don't buy it". It's simple economics to me, and quite frankly a waste of your recreation time if you spend it doing something you simply don't enjoy.

[bkrich83]

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I agree. Some attempts just come off as desperate. Not personally calling out anyone in this thread as desperate, but some things do come off as last resort reasons/excuses.

And that's not to say EA doesn't deserve criticism. They do. But it's tough to take people seriously when they are way over the top or they just continually rant the same thing over and over again.

The true agenda pushers become apparent right away. They just can't be taken credibly. People like yourself where it's obvious you just love football games and don't subscribe to some stupid brand loyalty or brand war, those are the complaints that should imo, be taken seriously.

[bkrich83]

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If you've been complaining nonstop about every last thing about the game for the past three years and go out of your way to find things that you deem "wrong" about it, do you really love it?

And I question whether "love" has anything to do with the simple logic presented of "if you don't like it, don't buy it". It's simple economics to me, and quite frankly a waste of your recreation time if you spend it doing something you simply don't enjoy.

Agreed. I thought that was pretty self explanatory. Apparently it wasn't.

[SageInfinite]

Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

Who are you to tell people to give up on something they love?
People don't have to give up on things they love. Sometimes you have no other option but to make your voice heard. Anything less would be to give up.

About the video showing Suh get stonewalled by the 160 pound kicker that did not bother you? The point is not that you would have a kicker in to block, but highlighting a serious flaw in how an important part of the game works.

IF EA Sports responds to such things in the manner you did, it is no wonder that Madden continues to disappoint. Just sweep it under the rug.

I am of the mind that the more Maddens failings become public knowlege, (like the Suh video) the more changes EA will have to make to Madden to get it up to par and beyond.

I have a problem with the logic that allowed me to see this also. I would never go and do anything like put a kicker in for a lineman, but when all my lineman got hurt, and a kicker was put in as a replacement, and was able to perform the job, I definitely had a problem.

[LiquorLogic]

Re: Madden Creative Director, Ian Cummings is Leaving Tiburon

And so the agenda becomes clear.

No I wouldn't get upset. I would simply stop eating cheeseburgers. If they wanted my business they'd improve their product. If they don't I'd move on. I certainly would't keep throwing good money after bad if they made a product I didn't like, and I knew they made a product I didn't like. If I keep buying cheeseburgers, knowing I don't like them, then that's on me, not the cook or the chef or resturaunt.

It goes down to the how many times do you have to burn your hand before you learn. If you keep spending your money over and over and over again, on something that you don't like, that's quite simply your fault.

LOL, it'd be great if my point was clear. My point was that people who love football video games and hate Madden, whether they actually bought the product or not, still have reason to be upset because, whether they bought the game or not, they still aren't enjoying video game football. They don't like Madden, and they don't have an alternative.

From the past few days, it's become quite obvious you really know nothing about software development. I am not sure what the spending more money on this or that means. If you have techincal issues, simply throwing more bodies and cash at the problems does not mean they are going to get fixed. Software development simply doesn't work that way.

I don't need to know anything about software development. It's common sense. Either EA isn't giving the development team the proper tools, or the development team has the proper tools and still can't get it done. It's one of two things, and both come down to money. The proper tools cost money, and so does a development team that can use those tools to the fullest.

It's quite obvious you don't like the game, never will. It's also quite obvious as to what your endgame is. Why you spend so much time and effort ranting about something you don't like, I don't get. It's a hobby as soon as it stops being fun, move on.

I'll move on from something when I decide to. It's a hobby that I don't enjoy, because the only outlet for that hobby is of poor quality. If you like the game, why aren't you playing it instead of defending it on a forum ?

If you've been complaining nonstop about every last thing about the game for the past three years and go out of your way to find things that you deem "wrong" about it, do you really love it?

And I question whether "love" has anything to do with the simple logic presented of "if you don't like it, don't buy it". It's simple economics to me, and quite frankly a waste of your recreation time if you spend it doing something you simply don't enjoy.

Obviously he does love it if he's been complaining about for years. You're confusing the love football video games with the love of Madden. He loves football games, not Madden, and that's why he's upset. There are many people who haven't bought the game in years, but they still complain about Madden. Why you ask ? Because the hate it, and it's the only football game in town.

We feel that football video gaming has been taken away from us.

[Mo]

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I'll move on from something when I decide to. It's a hobby that I don't enjoy, because the only outlet for that hobby is of poor quality. If you like the game, why aren't you playing it instead of defending it on a forum ?

Actually, both of you will move on from this back and forth bickering right now.

[RGiles36]

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And that's not to say EA doesn't deserve criticism. They do. But it's tough to take people seriously when they are way over the top or they just continually rant the same thing over and over again.

The true agenda pushers become apparent right away. They just can't be taken credibly.

Why you spend so much time and effort ranting about something you don't like, I don't get. It's [not] a hobby as soon as it stops being fun, move on.

Troof, troof, and more troof.

[Still2REal]

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The people who constantly defend Madden and dismiss everyones criticisms are just as guilty of having an agenda as those that attack the game. You are no better than anyone else who posts.

Seems sometimes you guys lose sight of that fact.

Madden will be straight, those that love it and continue to play "Captain Save 'Em" for the game will continue to do so as will those that hate. Declining sales point to the fat that people are getting tired of the same rehashed product. I'm sure EA will take notice....eventually

[bkrich83]

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Actually, both of you will move on from this back and forth bickering right now.

I thought all the agenda driven crap was supposed to be taken care of as part of the cleaning up of these forums. Apparently that's not true as it's even harder to filter out all the white noise.

[Hooe]

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We feel that football video gaming has been taken away from us.

I'm sorry you feel that way. However, "it is what it is", and if EA doesn't present you with an option you like you ought to find another hobby that brings you more enjoyment.

The constant complaints and sensationalized vitriol that this game gets simply is very tired, and puts a damper on this whole community as a whole.

[CRMosier_LM]

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Wow I go to work for a few hours and check back and people done.lost their minds lol. Arguing about cheeseburgers and tacos and stuff.

Seriously I don't understand why people continue to buy it if they hate it so much.

Also the YouTube video, wow SUH is an absolute beast in our online franchise! I wonder if that kicker had his stats jacked upwards before that video? Most likely. People will do anything to hate.

I thought this thread was about Ian anyways?!? Good luck to ya man, hopefully you only read the 1st 5 or 6 pages of this thread cuz it gets awfuly conspiracy theory-ish after that.
Haters gonna hate but remember you are the minority. Not that you arent allowed to dislike the game, but at least make some sense..... Lol he said cheeseburgers