All-Time Classic Roster (Franchise Best Team)

[bedwardsroy19]

Hey guys,

I noticed in the forum the idea of making a roster that would include each franchises "best ever team". I like the idea so now I am coordinating the making of a roster in which that will be done. (I know I am in the middle of a full 1998 roster but I should be able to balance the two with relative ease, although my priorities initially will lie with the completion of the 98 rosters).

Alright guys. Here is the final list of what each team will be on the Major League level.

If there is more than one year next to a team the first year listed will be the MLB level team. If there are multiple years it is because there will be those extra teams on the roster as well, I will personally make the extra teams and place them in the minors or if there are any teams that somebody wants on the roster I can include them as well. I have no problem making as many teams as people desire. Hopefully this list is good for you guys!

UNCLAIMED, CLAIMED/LESS THAN HALFWAY DONE, MORE THAN HALFWAY DONE, COMPLETED

Progress on Rosters

The link below can be used to add a stance or delivery to a player on one of those teams. All you would have to do is go find the players in the game and see what SCEA gave them for their delivery and then type it on this spreadsheet for me.

I gave edit access on this spreadsheet to ANYONE, so if anybody out there can help out just type it in on the sheet!

Stances And Deliveries: All-Time Classic Roster

For now I only put down the '08 Rays and the '10 Rays (click the '10 Rays tab on the bottom of the spreadsheet to access that sheet). If somebody lets me know that they are interested in helping I will add more tabs to the spread sheet with more teams, just to make this process go a little more quickly.

I hope for this to be a community project and that people will sign up for teams (but if it doesn't work out like that I have no problem creating the teams).

If people want to start signing up for teams I will send each of you a spreadsheet of exactly what players should be made and how to make the attributes for them just to help out the process so our roster work all matches up.


Bedwardsroy19

[pjsnell10]

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I'll take care of the A's.

[bedwardsroy19]

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I'll take care of the A's.

Awesome, what year do you think was the A's best? They were so good from 29-31 and then again from 88-90.

[ImBaconBeckham]

Re: All-Time Classic Roster (Franchise Best Team)

Hey guys,

I noticed in the forum the idea of making a roster that would include each franchises "best ever team". I like the idea so now I am coordinating the making of a roster in which that will be done. (I know I am in the middle of a full 1998 roster but I should be able to balance the two with relative ease, although my priorities initially will lie with the completion of the 98 rosters).

The first thing I want to do is ask you guys what teams you all think should be done for each franchise. There have been suggestions made by Sunjah_Khan (whose idea the roster initially was) so I will list them below, however if there are any other suggestions/ideas I am going to hold off the start of the creation until we get a solid set list of teams that we feel should make up this roster.

AL East
Baltimore Orioles '71/'70/'69
Boston Red Sox '46/'04
New York Yankees '27/'98
Tampa Bay Devil Rays '08
Toronto Blue Jays '93

AL Central
Chicago White Sox '17
Cleveland Indians 54'/'95/97'
Detroit Tigers '61/'34/'40/'84
Kansas City Royals '85
Minnesota Twins '24/'65/'87

AL West
California Angels '02
Oakland Athletics '31/'88
Seattle Mariners '97
Texas Rangers '96

NL East
Atlanta Braves '57/'95/'93
New York Mets '86
Philadelphia Philies '80
Florida Marlins '97/'03
Washington Nationals/Montreal Expos '80

NL Central
Chicago Cubs '29
Cincinnati Reds '75
Houston Astros '86
Milwaukee Brewers '82 (or '57 Braves)
Pittsburgh Pirates '71
St. Louis Cardinals '42/'85/'04

NL West
Arizona Diamondbacks '01
Colorado Rockies '95
Los Angeles Dodgers '78/'53
San Francisco Giants '62
San Diego Padres '84/'98



I hope for this to be a community project and that people will sign up for teams (but if it doesn't work out like that I have no problem creating the teams).

When the final teams are set and people want to start signing up for teams I will send each of you a spreadsheet of exactly what players should be made and how to make the attributes for them just to help out the process so our roster work all matches up.

If you have any suggestions for teams please list them! I hope we can have some debate over what teams should be in it!

Bedwardsroy19

Wouldn't the 07 Rockies be better than the 95 one? I also think the 05 White Sox should be taken into consideration.

[capa]

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I am an old school guy, so my votes are for the:

65 Twins
68 Tigers
61 Yanks (you gotta have Mantle/Maris in the game!)
73 or 74 A's (Reggie and crew)
69 Cubs (just a favorite - Williams, Santo, Banks, Jenkins, etc.)
63 or 65 Dodgers (Koufax/Drysdale)

Good luck to all. Great project! I will be following closely.

C

[KCRoyals]

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77 Kansas City Royals were much better than the 85 team. The World Champion A's of the 70's were better than the 88 team.

KCRoyals

[komikozi bob]

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what if instead of the franchise best you do an organizations best. A mixed team througout all years. Just a thought... Either way, it works.

[bedwardsroy19]

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Wouldn't the 07 Rockies be better than the 95 one? I also think the 05 White Sox should be taken into consideration.

Yeah, these are not my suggestions, these are the suggestions of somebody who brought up the idea. What I am hoping for is the community (you guys) to pick the teams you want to see in it.

Going back through the teams such as the White Sox, personally I feel as though '05 was their best team. Looking at the Rockies it would be hard to say '95 was better than '07 although the players on the '95 team seem more recognizable.

I know a lot of people will be excited about these rosters because of the old old teams, but as far as the franchise's best team, some may be more recent than you would think

[spit_bubble]

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...What I am hoping for is the community (you guys) to pick the teams you want to see in it...

I suggest listing alternate choices as well, even after the first 30 are chosen. Maybe we can get a few variations going, or single teams (25 players uploaded) which people can swap out.

Some other teams to consider:

1983 Orioles (won WS, Ripken, Murray)
1968 Tigers (won WS, Denny McLain won 30 games)
1973 Athletics (won WS, three 20 game winners, Reggie Jackson)
1995 Mariners (first Ms playoff team, Griffey Jr, Randy Johnson 18-2 wins 1st Cy Young, Edgar's double to beat the Yanks)

1969 Mets (Miracle Mets won WS, Tom Seaver won 25 games)
1994 Expos (on pace to win over 100 games before strike, Larry Walker, Moises Alou, a young Pedro Martinez)
1908 Cubs (won WS, Tinker to Evers to Chance, Three Finger Brown won 29 games)
1954 Giants (won WS, a young Mays wins MVP and batting title, the catch)

[bedwardsroy19]

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I suggest listing alternate choices as well, even after the first 30 are chosen. Maybe we can get a few variations going.

Some other teams to consider:

1983 Orioles (won WS, Ripken, Murray)
1968 Tigers (won WS, Denny McLain won 30 games)
1973 Athletics (won WS, three 20 game winners, Reggie Jackson)
1995 Mariners (first Ms playoff team, Edgar's double to beat the Yanks)

1969 Mets (Miracle Mets won WS, Tom Seaver won 25 games)
1994 Expos (on pace to win over 100 games before strike, Larry Walker, Moises Alou, a young Pedro Martinez)
1908 Cubs (won WS, Tinker to Evers to Chance, Three Finger Brown won 29 games)
1954 Giants (won WS, a young Mays wins MVP and batting title)

I'll update the thread with these suggestions. All of these teams were teams that I had considered after doing some more research, I was about to add most of them to the first post as well. Personally I feel as though the '94 Expos were Montreal's best team.

As far as listing alternates, yes thats something to do a long way down the road, but it would be nice to establish a set of the "best" teams first and then worry about alternates being created, although I think we are on the same page (that is why I listed all possibilities in the first post).

[Sunjah_Khan]

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Hey guys,

I noticed in the forum the idea of making a roster that would include each franchises "best ever team"...



AL East
Baltimore Orioles '83/'71/'70/'69 (or '22 StL Browns)
Boston Red Sox '46
New York Yankees '27/'78
Tampa Bay Devil Rays '08
Toronto Blue Jays '93

AL Central
Chicago White Sox '17/'05
Cleveland Indians '54/'95/'97
Detroit Tigers '61/'34/'40/'84
Kansas City Royals '77/'80/'85
Minnesota Twins '24 (Was. Senators)/'65/'87

AL West
California Angels '02
Oakland Athletics '31/'88
Seattle Mariners '97/'95
Texas Rangers '96

NL East
Atlanta Braves '57/'95/'93
New York Mets '86/'69
Philadelphia Philies '80/'50
Florida Marlins '97/'03
Washington Nationals/Montreal Expos '80/'94

NL Central
Chicago Cubs '29
Cincinnati Reds '75
Houston Astros '86
Milwaukee Brewers '82 (or '57 Braves)
Pittsburgh Pirates '71/'60/'79
St. Louis Cardinals '34/'85

NL West
Arizona Diamondbacks '01
Colorado Rockies '95
Los Angeles Dodgers '78/'53/'63/'65
San Francisco Giants '62/'33
San Diego Padres '84/'98



I hope for this to be a community project and that people will sign up for teams (but if it doesn't work out like that I have no problem creating the teams).

When the final teams are set and people want to start signing up for teams I will send each of you a spreadsheet of exactly what players should be made and how to make the attributes for them just to help out the process so our roster work all matches up.

If you have any suggestions for teams please list them! I hope we can have some debate over what teams should be in it!

Bedwardsroy19

DUDE!!! You are awesome! Thanks for this. Not only am I really excited about your '98 rosters, now this is something I can definitely do.

I highlighted in RED the choices I think absolutely should be, left okay choices in black, and took some off that I think should have no chance (definitely '34 instead of '42 StL, for example)

[quote = Sunjah_Kahn]One thing (to everyone); I've noticed in 20+ years of making rosters for games is that choices often gravitate towards the modern day teams (or from the era when they grew up). I am not shooting anyone down, and I am all for debating anything, but I can almost guarantee you will wind up with a post 1960-league if that isn't watched out for. Best team of franchise, not personal favorite, unless it can be argued they are the best ever! That is all I ask.[/quote]

[Sunjah_Khan]

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(don't get mad or offended, just speaking opinions here):
Here are some of my views on who and why

*There is a reason the '27 Yankees are said to be the best (sorry, look at '61 stats...the team just isn't as good.)
*Mets of '69 were famous from "miracle"; '86 Mets were a better team.
*Gashouse gang? Stan Musial (love 'em) can wait
*SORRY ABOUT THE '77 ROYALS. WHOEVER POSTED THAT, YOU ARE RIGHT!!!
*1931 A's are a much better team. They have 4 Hall of Famers; '70's A's (though I love them) are among the weakest statistical multi-time champions of all time.
*Rockies of '07 were not that great. '95 team much better
*Please, you can already see that the old teams are getting axed for modern teams. All I ask is that you go here:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/

and make a comparison. You can click on each franchise, and look at each year, see all stats, etc.

The big 3 for offense for '27 vs. '61:
'27 = .307, 158 (HR), 908 (RBI)
'61 = .263 (ugh), 240 (HR), 781 (RBI)

'27 = 3.20 (ERA) (in a hitter's time)
'61 = 3.46 (ERA)

I think it shows who is the better team, overall.

Plus, how can you make a "best-of" and NOT have BABE RUTH on it. SERIOUSLY, that is one request (...demand?!?) I make, and here it is:

BABE RUTH must be in here on the roster!!!

...along with the Iron Horse, of course, the best 1B in history (with Ruth being the best player ever, pretty easy choice).

I know everyone has their favorites, likes/dislikes (sorry, '53 Brooklyn is a much better team than the '55 version; only thing is Newcombe was in the war at the time), but PLEASE, look at the franchise BEST, not your favorite.

[Sunjah_Khan]

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DUDE, YOU ARE AWESOME!!! I will take any team to create, possibly several. Would love "Murder's Row", maybe the '31 Philadelphia A's, the '29 Chicago Cubs or even the Amazin's of '86!

To start, I would be glad to due the 1927 NYY team, baseball's finest!

[bedwardsroy19]

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If we are looking at stats though, I feel like the 2003 Marlins were much better than the 1997 team. The 2003 team was stacked, even had Miguel Cabrera on the bench! Go check it out

But I generally agree with most of what you are saying, I just think it can go both ways as well. If we are truly looking for the best team from each franchise, then it would be unfair to eliminate recent teams completely, if one deserves to be in it then I think they should be.

Thoughts?

[pjsnell10]

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Awesome, what year do you think was the A's best? They were so good from 29-31 and then again from 88-90.

To be honest, I'm a huge A's fan and I can't name 5 guys from the 1930's A's. The 70's A's were a great team, but statistically speaking, they weren't as strong as someone else mentioned. I think that the 1990 A's were the strongest team all around. Rickey Henderson (MVP) had arguably his best year, Canseco and McGwire both had big power numbers, Dave Henderson also had a solid year (before getting hurt). They added Harold Baines and Willie McGee (won the batting title in the NL) late, as well. Throw in Weiss, Lansford, Steinbach and Willie Randolph also. Welch won 27(Cy Young winner), Stewart won 22, and the bullpen was light out (check out their stats, worst era was 2.70 I believe). Eck had an ERA of 0.61 that year. Just a really solid team all the way around. Of course they got murdered in the World Series, but still a very stacked team.