Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

[Jarodd21]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

Wait a minute. A db can recognize the wr is running a fly pattern , and then in turn run his coverage to play the fly pattern. Why is this a troubling video to see???

I do not agree.

I definitely agree with you. Nothing looks weird about that. It was just a fly pattern.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

Wait a minute. A db can recognize the wr is running a fly pattern , and then in turn run his coverage to play the fly pattern. Why is this a troubling video to see???

I do not agree.

When have you ever seen coverage like that in real life? Dbs don't run in front of a wr like that unless they are physic. What if the wr is really running a deep in route?

I know what people will say, maybe the reason he is in that position would be that the ball is already in the air, but from his body language he isn't playing his man or the ball. That means its a good chance the db knows the wrs route, just like in last years game if you ask me.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

When have you ever seen coverage like that in real life? Dbs don't run in front of a wr like that unless they are physic. What if the wr is really running a deep in route?

I know what people will say, maybe the reason he is in that position would be that the ball is already in the air, but from his body language he isn't playing his man or the ball. That means its a good chance the db knows the wrs route, just like in last years game if you ask me.

I would hope a smart DB in real life would be able to detect a fly pattern. I've seen Tramon Williams out cover his man a lot on fly patterns. Sam Sheilds for that matter, too.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

This doesn't even make any sense.

People aren't supposed to enjoy NCAA if they don't like Madden? They're two different games. That's like saying if you don't like NHL, you shouldn't like FIFA because they're both developed by EA Canada.

Come on, they are not two completely different games like NHL and FIFA. They share the basic core, "engine", whatever you want to call it. It's not like you wouldn't have the slightest clue how to play NCAA is you've only played Madden your whole life. I understand gamers preferring one over the other, but to hear people claim NCAA is a 10 and Madden is a 6.5 just sounds ridiculous imo.

[kjcheezhead]

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I would hope a smart DB in real life would be able to detect a fly pattern. I've seen Tramon Williams out cover his man a lot on fly patterns. Sam Sheilds for that matter, too.

Without ever looking at his man or the ball? At the very least, you have to admit the animation looks terrible even if you think it is good coverage to be so smart to jump a fly route, then zig zag wildly across the wr and end up missing the play on the ball anyways.

[K_GUN]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

Wait a minute. A db can recognize the wr is running a fly pattern , and then in turn run his coverage to play the fly pattern. Why is this a troubling video to see???

I do not agree.

I never played in the NFL or even college...but does the DB usually run AHEAD of the WR?...cuz in that vid he does

[roadman]

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I never played in the NFL or even college...but does the DB usually run AHEAD of the WR?...cuz in that vid he does

I've seen DB's outrun the WR and make int's.

[K_GUN]

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I've seen DB's outrun the WR and make int's.

really?...so the DB will run ahead of a WR..look back then slow down & swat at the ball?

i've seen DB's outrun WR on overthrown passes and make a pick but can't recall seeing a DB do would he did in that vid

guess i should watch more football

[RGiles36]

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000...ys-defense-INT

Not sure if the above adds anything to this discussion...the defender doesn't stop and attempt a swat.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000...ys-defense-INT

Not sure if the above adds anything to this discussion...the defender doesn't stop and attempt a swat.

Thank you, RG!

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

really?...so the DB will run ahead of a WR..look back then slow down & swat at the ball?

i've seen DB's outrun WR on overthrown passes and make a pick but can't recall seeing a DB do would he did in that vid

guess i should watch more football

Maybe I should watch more football too.

No, I don't see many CB's make a swat attempt at the ball, but mostly, I was referring to this statement made. CB's who outrun the WR are not psychic.

Dbs don't run in front of a wr like that unless they are physic.

[kjcheezhead]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000...ys-defense-INT

Not sure if the above adds anything to this discussion...the defender doesn't stop and attempt a swat.

One major difference. The db is looking at Schaub right from the snap and watches him throw the pass. The NCAA defender is looking straight ahead the whole time, not bothering to look at the qb or wr or for even for the ball.

Edit: After looking at the Cowboys vid again, I don't think that was man coverage at all. I think the db is playing a deep zone.

[roadman]

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One major difference. The db is looking at Schaub right from the snap and watches him throw the pass. The NCAA defender is looking straight ahead the whole time, not bothering to look at the qb or wr or for even for the ball.

We only see 10 yds of the NCAA defender and it was at the end of the pass. It is odd the defender doesn't look back at the WR or the ball.

[PVarck31]

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I think you can make a case on both fronts. It does look a little weird, however we are not seeing the whole play. Its about 10 yards and zoomed it. It is entirely possible that the DB was in a deep zone and not man.

On the other hand it could very well be a design flaw like we have seen so many times. If this is the case, the good news is that defense is a huge priority this year. Not to mention they have time to tune the game still, so its possible it could be fixed.

Either way I think what we have seen thus far with defense and tackling show an improvement over 11. If this play happens once in a while I can live with it.

[roadman]

Re: Madden NFL 12 Features Major Change in Defensive Secondary AI

I think you can make a case on both fronts. It does look a little weird, however we are not seeing the whole play. Its about 10 yards and zoomed it. It is entirely possible that the DB was in a deep zone and not man.

On the other hand it could very well be a design flaw like we have seen so many times. If this is the case, the good news is that defense is a huge priority this year. Not to mention they have time to tune the game still, so its possible it could be fixed.

Either way I think what we have seen thus far with defense and tackling show an improvement over 11. If this play happens once in a while I can live with it.

Well stated on all fronts, I agree.