Zone Defense Video in Slow Motion

[ViLLiO]

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Thoughts? I just felt compelled to upload this. I think some people are obsessing over the animation flaws a bit too much. Sure, there is sliding and warping to an extent, but every NCAA game will have that until they introduce a new engine. I just love the fact that zone will be effective again. I don't necessarily care about the animations, I just want to be able to stop the offense!

[schumj]

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Thoughts? I just felt compelled to upload this. I think some people are obsessing over the animation flaws a bit too much. Sure, there is sliding and warping to an extent, but every NCAA game will have that until they introduce a new engine. I just love the fact that zone will be effective again. I don't necessarily care about the animations, I just want to be able to stop the offense!

Could not have said it any better.

[canes21]

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Nice video. have to admit that pass blocking looks a lot better except for the lack of double teams. Hopefully EA continues to work on the passing game though, because zone defense was only one of many things wrong with it.

[huskerwr38]

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Wow, watch the LB on the left side @ :28. He literally just glides back as he is shuffling like he's on ice. Also, #40 @ 1:20 moves back about 10 yards without really even moving his legs. Lastly, TCU DB #6 at the end, does the same thing, just super shuffles back without even really moving his legs. That is the worst I've ever seen gliding. Slow motion really brings out the gliding in the game.

I just hope the zone "fix" wasn't achieved by DB's being to able to magically move faster and warp across the field like they are on ice skates.

[canes21]

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Wow, watch the LB on the left side @ :28. He literally just glides back as he is shuffling like he's on ice. Also, #40 @ 1:20 moves back about 10 yards without really even moving his legs. Lastly, TCU DB #6 at the end, does the same thing, just super shuffles back without even really moving his legs. That is the worst I've ever seen gliding. Slow motion really brings out the gliding in the game.

I just hope the zone "fix" wasn't achieved by DB's being to able to magically move faster and warp across the field like they are on ice skates.

To me these look more cosmetic though. The players don't seem to be moving at unrealistic speeds, they're just taking far too few steps compared to the ground they cover, so it looks bad. If they were taking the appropriate number of steps and it looked more natural, then I think the speed they were going back was okay, could be a bit slower though.

[Charleston_Tiger]

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Wow, watch the LB on the left side @ :28. He literally just glides back as he is shuffling like he's on ice. Also, #40 @ 1:20 moves back about 10 yards without really even moving his legs. Lastly, TCU DB #6 at the end, does the same thing, just super shuffles back without even really moving his legs. That is the worst I've ever seen gliding. Slow motion really brings out the gliding in the game.

I just hope the zone "fix" wasn't achieved by DB's being to able to magically move faster and warp across the field like they are on ice skates.

Yeah the 1:20 mark is UGLY.

[Roggie]

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To me these look more cosmetic though. The players don't seem to be moving at unrealistic speeds, they're just taking far too few steps compared to the ground they cover, so it looks bad. If they were taking the appropriate number of steps and it looked more natural, then I think the speed they were going back was okay, could be a bit slower though.

That's what I'm thinking. I'd rather have them gliding a bit than being cemented into place and not knowing how to play a zone any day.

[khaliib]

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It's not a cosmetic thing.
It's no different the the DB mirror that plagued the game.
Some tried to say it didn't bother them, but most were also in the Slider threads looking for more "Realistic Gameplay".

A LB keeping up with an Off player running forward while in a backpedal is a "Major" problem.
Warping is not a Zone fix, but a Lazy AI bug.

Man, what is going on when gamers have become OK with sliding/gliding in this game?

Have not the community been asking for some type of "Momentum" to be represented in the game?
Well Def players are changing direction on a dime to give the percieved look like they're covering an area.

Will the same be OK when a 68 SPD/72 ACC LB is locking down your 95 SPD/95 ACC WR while he's in his zone?
Don't forget, the vid's also show that the Super Jump 15 yrds over the middle is still in.

I like some of the things they are doing, but giving a pass on things that has continued to hurt the game, I can't do.

I hope they don't release this game with this "Bug" in it!!!

[Mbalmer]

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I wonder if zone coverage ratings will mean anything or if everyone can super shuffle as they play zone.

This looks VERY BAD, however I play at the fast speed so maybe I won't notice the shuffling as much.

[huskerwr38]

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Also, for anyone that has not played football or any sports for that matter. Shuffling (or strafing whatever you like to call it) like that across the field is not something most athletes can do fast or even try to do. Shuffling is one of the most slowest ways a player moves (besides the obvious). Defensive players use shuffle when they want to be able to change directions quicker, i.e. LB's shuffle from side to side when they are reading the offense and must react quick and change direction. Shuffling isn't meant to move across the field 10-15 yards like in the video game.

The bottom line is that in that video it looks like they are using it to beef up zone and cover lack of AI, imo. I don't think it's cosmetic at all, just like khaliib said, it's like mirror the receivers routes. It gives the defense the advantage to make up for AI.

[ViLLiO]

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I love watching the Oklahoma DB at :44 pass the WR off to the S while he rushes up to cover the flats... Even though he slides a bit, I find it beautiful.

I'm sure a lot of these "gliding" bugs will be gone by the time the demo comes out.

[roadman]

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Have not the community been asking for some type of "Momentum" to be represented in the game?

Did momentum based tackles already slip your mind?

You don't need to explain yourself, I see what you see, but thought that should be pointed out. Seemed to me you neglected to state that.

[Klocker]

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looks fantastic to me

[huskerwr38]

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Did momentum based tackles already slip your mind?

You don't need to explain yourself, I see what you see, but thought that should be pointed out. Seemed to me you neglected to state that.

I don't want to speak for Khaliib, but I'm betting he meant some sort of momentum when the players are running. For instance, if a 250 LB is running and he suddenly stops, plants his foot, and cuts back the other way it's not going to be an "instant turn" like we see in the game if the it had some sort of momentum aspect involved with running. Other examples are the way the DB's are turning on a dime when they are covering the WR's.

[jwilphl]

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This follows along the lines of the movements just not looking natural. The running animations have always bothered me because they're just too robotic and stiff. I don't know that there ever will be a fix for these animations; something tells me they would have to rebuild from the ground up.

The gliding is weird as is it when guys turn at right angles. They just need to figure out a way to make the motions and interaction with the ground look natural, although the latter is an issue with all sports games (not sure why). It would help if players didn't move unless they moved their legs--this would fix the "gliding" issue. Part of it is just not taking enough strides or moving their legs enough.