NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

[Keith121212]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

Guys that tested the game said that the Passing Offense wouldn't be overpowering in '09, and it was with any over the middle route.

Guys that tested the game said that Man coverage wouldn't be overpowering in '10, and it was with DB route mirror.

Guys that tested the game said that the Option worked as advertised in '11, and it didn't.

Can't ask folks to ignore 3 years of testers saying one thing, only to buy the game and see something different.

To be honest, I would say nice things also, if that meant they might invite me to play the game before release again.

Another money post.

[mrmass413]

i honestly like the bull rush it would be nice to see the ol man grab the dl man and drag him down or hold a leg or somthing to save the qb. i have seen that happen more than a few times but i agree i hope it doesnt happen often

[Illustrator76]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

I am sorry, but I do not like this new Bull Rush animation at all. I am not sure what EA's obsession with Linemen constantly falling to the ground in their football games is. In NCAA 11, it was the Offensive Linemen instantly "pancaking" the Defensive Linemen at the line of scrimmage when you attempted a pass rush move. Now we have the opposite in Defensive Linemen just bowling over Offensive Linemen with Bull Rushes?!?! If this particular Bull Rush animation is a RARE occurrence, then I have no issues with it, but if this is THE one and only Bull Rush animation, then I am highly disappointed.

You simply do not see Linemen falling to the ground and consistently being dominated with Bull Rush moves like this. As others have stated, a Bull Rushing Lineman should be pushing the pocket and generally have his hands under the Offensive Lineman's face mask, or on his outside shoulders pushing the O-Lineman backwards in to the RB/QB. That's what I see most of the time when I see a good Bull Rush. I like that EA adds new things like this to their games, I just wish they wouldn't be so over the top/unrealistic with them. It's almost like they saw one clip of Marcel Dareus or Nick Fairley do this last season and then said: "Let's make this a regular occurrence in NCAA 12".

Again, I am glad that line play is getting attention in NCAA 12, but it needs to be in a much more realistic manner. We need to see DE's running a proper arc to the QB, while using REALISTIC pass rush moves (e.g. spins, rip moves, speed rush, etc...). We need to see 4-3 DE's try to get AROUND the O-Linemen to the QB, instead of looking to engage Linemen and then break free with the same "dip move" we have seen for years (3-4 Linemen, who are essentially DT's, look to occupy blockers, not 4-3 ends).

As I said before, if this Bull Rush animation is rare, then I guess I am fine with it, but if not, then color me very concerned. Line play in BOTH EA football titles needs some serious attention, and while this may be a step in that direction, I am not sure it is the right step.

A perfect example of a great Bull Rush, I didn't see one Lineman instantly knocked to the ground in this video:

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/jVAYMzgXOV0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Koach Vonner]

Now this Bull Rush video is a great example of a Bull Rush and a quality post. Great job illustrator!!!! You can even YouTube Oline vs Dline 1 on 1 drills.
Also notice that the left "DE" bull rushes with only 1 arm!! And he still didn't put the Olineman on his butt. Another great example of different animations. Might be harder to incorporate than any of us could ever imagine though.

[roadman]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

Well, I'll wait for game footage and the demo before I comment one way or the other on this issue.

If that bull rush animation happens a lot, then it's a big concern. If it happens on a rare occasion similar to college or pro football, not a big deal.

I'm hoping those were 3 over powering DL vs weak OL.

Here's a bull rush from Suh. Reggie White use to knock people down on bull rushes on occasion too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cYjTx17Yg&feature=related

[Illustrator76]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

Well, I'll wait for game footage and the demo before I comment one way or the other on this issue.

If that bull rush animation happens a lot, then it's a big concern. If it happens on a rare occasion similar to college or pro football, not a big deal.

I'm hoping those were 3 over powering DL vs weak OL.

Here's a bull rush from Suh. Reggie White use to knock people down on bull rushes on occasion too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-cYj...eature=related

Oh, I am very familiar with that Suh guy, lol . I agree that the Bull Rush knockdown happens, but just not that often. Even in that video, Suh ended up falling down as well, he didn't just truck and move on. My concern is that this is the ONLY Bull Rush animation in NCAA 12, which would be a huge issue IMHO. I just don't want the exception to become the norm with things like this, because that has kind of been the EA way lately.

[roadman]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

Oh, I am very familiar with that Suh guy, lol . I agree that the Bull Rush knockdown happens, but just not that often. Even in that video, Suh ended up falling down as well, he didn't just truck and move on. My concern is that this is the ONLY Bull Rush animation in NCAA 12, which would be a huge issue IMHO. I just don't want the exception to become the norm with things like this, because that has kind of been the EA way lately.

Not a word I disagree with it.

I think people are forgetting the 1st videos shown for NCAA and NFL. I saw a great bull rush to the QB on both NCAA and NFL, so, I saw video evidence it's not the only bull rush.

People tend to have short memory spans from a week to two weeks ago.

I'm thinking this was a video just to highlight the bull rush vs the norm, but I could be wrong.

It's the same reaction when Madden released a video showcasing Hillis breaking tackles. People assumed this was going to happen in the released game.

First 20 seconds or so of video, Brees throwing a pass and being bull rushed by #71 of the Falcons on the left side of the screen.

http://www.ea.com/videos/157a5c246ec9f210VgnVCM2000001165140aRCRD

[PSRusse83]

Dive catches great. But are there going to be any stretch for the ball missed it completely lost balance and fall over type of catches? Because there should be.

[2krunk4u]

it's funny because the mo-cap guys are actually dropping the passes, but the animation translates into the game as a catch.

Maybe they'll put dropped dive catches in too?

[carnalnirvana]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

its not the animation that scares me, its the thought that this is what success looks like, in the vid where the DE punks the OL the DT next to him is in a bull rush thats going nowhere, the madden clip mentioned with brees the DT is going nowhere, spinning in place and struggling with an OL not remotely threatening.....

and this goes back to a discussion in another thread, where the guard play is somethat wonky, guards dont steer the DT's/blitzers they try to hold their ground too much, we had this problem 3 yrs ago when Tackles didnt move to stop DE outside rushes, then they let the tackles get mobile, now its time to let the guards steer guys off to the side so the QB can step up....

with edits the 12 games will get alot of playing time this year....

[roadman]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

the madden clip mentioned with brees the DT is going nowhere,

Then, I guess you see what you see. Many other respected posters on the Madden side feel that is a bull rush. It's not just before Brees makes the pass, it's after Brees has the ball in the air. The DL continues pushing the OL back into the backfield.

Isn't that considered a bull rush?

[booker21]

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nobody dive catch like that in a real game. Just horrible dive catching animations.

The bull rush will be unrealistic. I bet 70ovr DL will bull rush your 90ovr OL on heisman.

[noplace]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

My only problem with this is EA’s inability to implement anything without it being extremely flawed. It normally means it will become the glitch or cheese of the game. Hope this doesn’t mean Users can do this every play to any OL in the game regardless of rating. I can see this becoming excessive & repetitive. This bull rush with the OL falling down hardly ever happens so let’s hope EA knows this.

[booker21]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

I hope they have the DL driving the OL back also, but anyway this "bull rush" animation reminds me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1k_1GukEwo .

how many times do you see that in a football game? 1?

remember this.. in NCAA/Madden this animation will be a common as swing move.

[Catamount53]

Re: NCAA Football 12 Video - Diving Catches and Bull Rushes

how many times do you see that in a football game? 1?

remember this.. in NCAA/Madden this animation will be a common as swing move.

I never said that I liked the animation. The fact that I can remember that play specifically shows how rare that is in real life.

They should have the DL pushing the OL back not just running him over like that.