Washington Redskins Official Thread

[Aggies7]

And for the record, yes, Grossman was better than McNabb in the 3 games he played. The offense looked SO much better with him in rather than McNabb.

Grossman had also been in that system before so he knew it. Shannahan has a very intense playbook and history has shown that VY is not willing to learn or listen and to me Jeff Fisher and Mike Shannahan are very similar in their coaching styles

Maybe all VY needs is a fresh start but I don't see DC being a good fit. He thinks the media in TN was harsh he hasn't seen anything yet.

[Checmate101]

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Could be a nice late round addition. Needs to sharpen route running. Telegraphs his breaks.

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Yeah, but he can fix that in training camp and pre-season

[Checmate101]

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For the person that said Brandon Banks wouldn't be on the team next year...is so wrong, Shanny loves the guy, he gave us spark last year on punt and kickoffs returns, if it wasn't for them yellow flags he might've been on the probowl. I would like to see him more on offense though, we ran the wildcat with him last year and had success with it the one time we ran it.. Dude is a spark

[ProfessaPackMan]

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true enough. im not saying they would definitely instantly contend for the playoffs with VY. Im saying that bringing him in to compete with Grossman and other QBs that they bring in could improve the QB group as a whole going forward. Shanahan's system is conducive to mobile QBs so bringing in Young as one of those QBs makes sense.

no im not Pack. See point below about taking time to contend

lol just brought it up as an interesting little connection, but I doubt that will be the deciding factor. Kyle has some pull im sure, but I doubt he is at the top of the totem pole when it comes to making personnel decisions.

perhaps both. VY knows Orakpo as well

speaking of defensive captains. One of VY's most vocal supporters over the last couple of seasons and after the stuff went down with Fisher was Tulloch. He was the Titans defensive captain and didnt have to worry about going in any doghouse. Anyway,...

seriously? comon Pack. He's still a threat but he's not near the same explosive McNabb that we all saw in Philly. Im not scared of him anymore as a Cowboys fan. When he was with the Eagles, I was.

exactly what i was saying above.and when they do, McNabb will probably be all the way done. It makes sense to bring in guys like Grossman, VY, and other QBs to compete at the position and look towards the future.

lol for cripes sake the great Jeff Fisher is everywhere. im sure we havent heard the end of Fisher's agenda rearing it's head.

1. Grossman is a FA anyway(whenever FA kicks back up)so it really isn't about improving the group, even though before the Lockout there were rumors coming out about bringing him back on a one year deal to compete with Beck, who the Coaches have spoke highly of since last year. Why? Who knows to be honest but they must see something in the dude that nobody else sees to give him a 2 year extension as a 3rd String QB.

2. If they were looking towards the future, what sense would it make to bring in Grossman if he wasn't gonna be back the following year anyway? Why not go with the dude who you JUST gave an extension to and let him get through his growing pains right now.

3. We're on the same page there.

4. Orakpo is definitely not a leader. The only true leader on the team is Fletcher really because of the fact, he's the most proven dude on that Defense and because he isn't afraid to get in any of the players face regardless of who it is and how much they make. Now could Orakpo step up and possibly become one this year? Possibly but I'd put the chances of that happening right now at about 15-20%.

5. Don't care as it has no relevance here, really.

6. Of course he's not a threat or is the same QB he was in Philly, who ever said he was? LOL. But ask anybody here that watched him play his entire time here and ask them why they thought McNabb struggled here and I guarantee Physical Issues will be the LAST thing mentioned, if it even is. Again, anybody with 2 eyes could tell you that O-Line was the issue(as it was the year before)but of course that's what you get when have a Rookie starting at one side and when you give up a 2nd round pick for a guy fresh off of Offseason Hip Surgery.

7. See point 1.

8. I guess. I just figured I'd throw that out there since you brought up the fact that Vince Young and Little General were teammates at UT.

Either way, nobody has really proven that Washington is the BEST fit for him(if anybody can make the case I'd love to hear it), which again especially how he dealt with the media in TN and if he can't deal with them, then he DAMN sure won't be able to handle the media here. If anything, he might as well go the T.O route and go to Buffalo where he Fs up there, nobody outside of there is really going to care or pay much attention to it really.

And Chec, dudes like Banks are a dime a dozen and you can find guys like him anywhere on the street. He ain't nothing special at all, but people just hype him up because he wasn't doing the same crap Randle El did back there, which is just dance around for 20 seconds just to get 3 yards.

[Jarodd21]

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Either way, nobody has really proven that Washington is the BEST fit for him(if anybody can make the case I'd love to hear it), which again especially how he dealt with the media in TN and if he can't deal with them, then he DAMN sure won't be able to handle the media here. If anything, he might as well go the T.O route and go to Buffalo where he Fs up there, nobody outside of there is really going to care or pay much attention to it really.

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Nobody hasn't made a point why he isn't a fit either so I guess we'll leave it at that and see what happens when free agency opens up..

[N51_rob]

Nobody hasn't made a point why he isn't a fit either so I guess we'll leave it at that and see what happens when free agency opens up..

Except for innacuracy, immaturity, overly sensitive, slack work ethic, pourous offensive line, below average WR, suspect running game, suspect offensive coordinator and a coach who threw his last QB under the bus rather that publicly criticize his son.

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[Fresh Tendrils]

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Except for innacuracy, immaturity, overly sensitive, slack work ethic, pourous offensive line, below average WR, suspect running game, suspect offensive coordinator and a coach who threw his last QB under the bus rather that publicly criticize his son.

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Still nothing.

[snowman5607]

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LOL @ Orakpo not being a leader.

[N51_rob]

Still nothing.

I tried.

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[Jarodd21]

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Except for innacuracy, immaturity, overly sensitive, slack work ethic, pourous offensive line, below average WR, suspect running game, suspect offensive coordinator and a coach who threw his last QB under the bus rather that publicly criticize his son.

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Really didn't explain nothing and I didn't agree with anything you said besides immaturity, and a little sensitive. What you said was no different then me saying VYs mobility, I felt his work ethic was better the last 2 years and his improvement in the pocket over the last 2 years would fit in with Shanahans offense along with other guys saying his connection to Kyle and Mike liking him coming out of college.

So you really didn't say anything about Young style that wouldn't fit in with Shannahans offense besides him being inaccurate which he definitely improved on the last 2 years(dealing with alot of drop passes) so where not getting no where with this and where obviously not going to agree so whats the point of going around in circles with this. I feel VY would fit in great with Washington and you don't so that what it is.. If he goes to Washington we'll find out who was right and discuss it then.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I tried.

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Nah, you forgot the flow-chart.

[Hooe]

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Really didn't explain nothing and I didn't agree with anything you said besides immaturity, and a little sensitive. What you said was no different then me saying VYs mobility, I felt his work ethic was better the last 2 years and his improvement in the pocket over the last 2 years would fit in with Shanahans offense along with other guys saying his connection to Kyle and Mike liking him coming out of college.

So you really didn't say anything about Young style that wouldn't fit in with Shannahans offense besides him being inaccurate which he definitely improved on the last 2 years(dealing with alot of drop passes) so where not getting no where with this and where obviously not going to agree so whats the point of going around in circles with this. I feel VY would fit in great with Washington and you don't so that what it is.. If he goes to Washington we'll find out who was right and discuss it then.

Every quarterback has to deal with dropped passes, that's not a reasonable excuse. Directly contrasting your point, according to the Washington Post the Titans were actually 7th-best in the league with regard to fewest dropped passes.

With regard to Young's accuracy, he was still below 60% for the 2010 season (59.6). That places him amongst the likes of the 2010 performances of Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Kerry Collins, and below guys like Chad Henne, Shaun Hill, Josh Freeman, and Matt Hasselbeck (these stats all from NFL.com). You simply have to be an accurate passer to succeed in a west coast offense, and Young still has not proven to be consistent in this regard. This inconsistency is further evidenced by his game log; in the three games in 2010 in which Young threw more than 20 passes, he only completed more than 50% of his passes against Denver, who had one of the worst defenses in the league last season.

Further, going against the "Young wins games" argument, the Titans ranked 30th in the league in total team pass attempts in 2010; they clearly relied on the running game and defense to try to win games last year moreso than they did Young, and as such Young can't solely be given credit for those wins like you seem to be doing. The same holds true in 2009, when the Titans ranked 28th in the league in total team pass attempts and 5th in total team rushing attempts.

Bottom line, there's plenty of evidence available to have cause for reasonable doubt against Vince Young's ability, his potential, and how well he fits with the Redskins. And this doesn't begin to touch his mental issues.

[Jarodd21]

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Every quarterback has to deal with dropped passes, that's not a reasonable excuse. Directly contrasting your point, according to the Washington Post the Titans were actually 7th-best in the league with regard to fewest dropped passes.

With regard to Young's accuracy, he was still below 60% for the 2010 season (59.6). That places him amongst the likes of the 2010 performances of Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Kerry Collins, and below guys like Chad Henne, Shaun Hill, Josh Freeman, and Matt Hasselbeck (these stats all from NFL.com). You simply have to be an accurate passer to succeed in a west coast offense, and Young still has not proven to be consistent in this regard. This inconsistency is further evidenced by his game log; in the three games in 2010 in which Young threw more than 20 passes, he only completed more than 50% of his passes against Denver, who had one of the worst defenses in the league last season.

Further, going against the "Young wins games" argument, the Titans ranked 30th in the league in total team pass attempts in 2010; they clearly relied on the running game and defense to try to win games last year moreso than they did Young, and as such Young can't solely be given credit for those wins like you seem to be doing. The same holds true in 2009, when the Titans ranked 28th in the league in total team pass attempts and 5th in total team rushing attempts.

Bottom line, there's plenty of evidence available to have cause for reasonable doubt against Vince Young's ability, his potential, and how well he fits with the Redskins. And this doesn't begin to touch his mental issues.

Since I'm tired of repeating myself and we had long debates about this on VYs thread(back and forth saying the same exact stuff to each other and getting no where). I'm going to say I'm simply disagree with everything your saying and we'll see what happens if he signs with Washington.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Since I'm tired of repeating myself and we had long debates about this on VYs thread(back and forth saying the say exact stuff to each other and getting no where). I'm going to say I'm simply disagree with everything your saying and we'll see what happens if he signs with Washington.

You're the only one who isn't making any points man. Everybody else is stating opinions supported with VY's history and his stats, but you simply dismiss them like you're making rules up on the fly.

[Jarodd21]

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You're the only one who isn't making any points man. Everybody else is stating opinions supported with VY's history and his stats, but you simply dismiss them like you're making rules up on the fly.

You don't even know whats been going on. Off course YOU only see it there way because thats what side of the fence your on. We been debating this VY nonsense on the VY thread if you haven't came across it. What is the point of me repeating all the same stuff of VY being a winner(30-17 as a starter thats my stat), improvment over the last 2 years in the pocket(82.8 and 98.6 QB rating over that time), Every NFL analysis was praising his improvements, 2 time pro bowler, 12 comeback wins since he's been in the league as a starter proven he's clutch. Besides his maturity issues VY has proven he can get it done on my field. You and these other guys don't see it that way so off course YOUR going to feel like I haven't made any points when me and a few other guys have stated our points plenty of times but you guys don't see it that way just like we don't see it your way. THERE IS NO POINT OF GOING BACK IN FORTH ABOUT IT. So lets just agree to disagree. I wasn't even trying to get in a VY debate but like always all the people who don't like VY jump on it as soon as anyone show any support towards the guy and thats how this nonsense got started up again. So get your facts right before you assume I haven't made my points. They don't agree with mine like I don't agree with there's. Pointless arguement that isn't going anywhere.