NCAA Football 12 Custom Playbooks, 40 Total Formations, 15 Off. and 15 Def. Playbooks

[mikehud]

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Create a playbook and put any formation you want but you should still have some type of base line. why because thats football. if the battle cry is EA needs to be more realistic, sim or whatever we want to call it.

Then having :

3 wishbone,
6 flexbone,
5 pistol,
10 shotgun
8 I
6 ace
2 empty

formations in the same playbook is about as bad as any animation, slide, warp or suction block in terms of realism.

Now it is a game and you should be able to make them and use them as you wish in single player. but in an od or online we should stick to a more realistic approach to playbooks.

Anybody who has ever played football knows there is no way you could implement the offense i listed above with any kind of realistic success of execution. There is a reason you dont see real teams diversfy to this extreme. Utah st, uconn and UCLA have very diverse formation sets but even they dont go that far out of their base approach.

the only reason you don't see a lot of this has to do with coaches ego. may coaches get enamored with their system and only want to work in that box. some coaches like to pick and choose and do what best suits their personnel, not try to shoe-horn personnel into their system. i'm all for it. makes the experience a little more enjoyable. say you are a spread team, but you have a back that you might want to power through some teams with. you can swap in a formation of your choosing to suit that need or desire. or if you just happened to like some plays from a formation, throw them bad boys in. i don't get why folks want to put some kind of limitation on it. IT AIN'T REAL and WON'T EVER BE!!

[RColemanVT]

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Create a playbook and put any formation you want but you should still have some type of base line. why because thats football. if the battle cry is EA needs to be more realistic, sim or whatever we want to call it.

Then having :

3 wishbone,
6 flexbone,
5 pistol,
10 shotgun
8 I
6 ace
2 empty

formations in the same playbook is about as bad as any animation, slide, warp or suction block in terms of realism.

Now it is a game and you should be able to make them and use them as you wish in single player. but in an od or online we should stick to a more realistic approach to playbooks.

Anybody who has ever played football knows there is no way you could implement the offense i listed above with any kind of realistic success of execution. There is a reason you dont see real teams diversfy to this extreme. Utah st, uconn and UCLA have very diverse formation sets but even they dont go that far out of their base approach.

This is the kind of thought process that keeps people like Bryan Stinespring in their coaching positions. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean you can't find ways to implement it. I have been experimenting with the flexbone as a spread style formation, and it works pretty well. So if I want a spread playbook with some pistol and shotgun, but want to add in a flexbone formation to give a whole different look and feel to the offense I should be able to.

[Cubone_Jones]

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the only reason you don't see a lot of this has to do with coaches ego. may coaches get enamored with their system and only want to work in that box. some coaches like to pick and choose and do what best suits their personnel, not try to shoe-horn personnel into their system. i'm all for it. makes the experience a little more enjoyable. say you are a spread team, but you have a back that you might want to power through some teams with. you can swap in a formation of your choosing to suit that need or desire. or if you just happened to like some plays from a formation, throw them bad boys in. i don't get why folks want to put some kind of limitation on it. IT AIN'T REAL and WON'T EVER BE!!

You see that all the time. I'm the most excited about the tweeks made year to year in dynasties. My hometown team, the Missouri Tigers, slowly turned into the spread team they are today under Gary Pinkel. Brad Smith came on in the early 2000s and it opened the door to add a few more shotgun/spread sets and run a few options. Chase Daniel then came and it allowed for those same spread sets to be transformed into a pass-focused offense. As Mizzou might recruit a top flight halfback, perhaps they add a few more under center again. Who knows? All I know is I'll be switching up the playbook and LOVING it every season.

[smace767]

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Thought:

Create 14 playbooks for different play styles and assign to CPU teams accordingly.

So you can create 14 playbooks but assign them to whoever you want, right? That's my take

No more pocket QBs trying to run!!!

I agree but i will not use all of my playbooks for cpu teams. I will have 7 base playbooks to work with and have two more open i can use if i want to use in ods with teams specific adjustments. i will make 6 general play cpu type styles as well. using the same concepts i use for my own but using more formations and plays that i might not run myself.



playbooks for me:

base playbook-will include all the plays i like and fit in my core concept of offense for equal matchups and 5* plus type teams


lower level base-a little more conservative playbook used against better teams while i still have decent level playmakers.


conservative- playbook where i have few true play makers and no threat at qb, not many shotgun or wide runs not many pulling lineman. zone block quick hitters and dig routes.

finesse- used if i have a few decent skill players, wildcat, empty, screens, draws.


power-if i have a good oline and hbs in comparison to the defense, power, wishbone, overloads, power i, multiple heavy te formations


machine gun-if i have a wr corp that needs to get the ball, 5 wide, 4 wide bunch heavy houston texas tech hybrid offense.


dual threat- QB is the playmaker lots of speed option spread option, shotgun passing. think FSU charlie ward type offense

Florida will be the base in most cases so i can use their goaline package. this alone will allow me to run some wishbone and power i without having to include those formations.

now none of these will be as restrictive as the description but 250 to 300 of the plays will fall in that descriptive category. the remaining 100 plays are to break tendencies and diversify somewhat in case injury or weather cause a style change.

[smace767]

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This is the kind of thought process that keeps people like Bryan Stinespring in their coaching positions. Just because it hasn't been done doesn't mean you can't find ways to implement it. I have been experimenting with the flexbone as a spread style formation, and it works pretty well. So if I want a spread playbook with some pistol and shotgun, but want to add in a flexbone formation to give a whole different look and feel to the offense I should be able to.

dont get me wrong you are not following what im saying. most teams have every parent formation. and can lineup and run a play.

The point is texas tech does not have time to get the timing of their offense, then include 40 flexbone plays, 30 wishbone plays and another 60 power run play.

When i list those formations its with the implied fact that each formation has multiple 10+ plays in them to practice, get site adjustments and hot reads, oline assignments vs every front or potential blitz pressure/ coverage.

There is a difference between texas tech running a flexbone play or wishbone play ect.. and running the flexbone and wishbone as a significant part of your offense with multiple formations and plays in each set included in the normal gun offense.

[Unpozibowl]

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For me 15 defensive playbooks means 3 for me (base/balanced, power run/option def, pass heavy/spread def) and 12 customized to the 12 teams I play that year in dynasty... no more engage 8 blitzes! It'll be nice to try to give defenses some realism (sliding and super jumping aside).

[schumj]

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Really? i disagree with that. The box i play in is called SIM... and you don't see Texas Tech running the flexbone mixed in with their spread. You don't see Standford running wishbone sets or the Maryland I.

The extra layer needed is "style". You should have to designate a "style" that limits the formations you can choose from... I'm not saying you couldn't have some option stuff in there as a spread team.. but it should be very limited selection.

Again, all my opinion.

Amen! Now we will play games online against Ga Tech, Texas Tech Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, Oklahoma and TCU all in the same game. Already saw the post saying can't wait to have my wishbone, spread, read-option, power I playbook. Yah cuz that makes the game so much more realistic.

[The JareBear]

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For me 15 defensive playbooks means 3 for me (base/balanced, power run/option def, pass heavy/spread def) and 12 customized to the 12 teams I play that year in dynasty... no more engage 8 blitzes! It'll be nice to try to give defenses some realism (sliding and super jumping aside).

I can't believe anybody is going to complain about this feature. It is an excellent addition, period.

Think of how diverse user games are going to be now in our favorite ODs. I am more excited about defensive playbooks as we all know there are formations that just don't work very well.

[smace767]

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I can't believe anybody is going to complain about this feature. It is an excellent addition, period.

Think of how diverse user games are going to be now in our favorite ODs. I am more excited about defensive playbooks as we all know there are formations that just don't work very well.

Im not complaining about the feature or complaining in general. As a core concept of football, gameplan and scheme should matter.

Now every team will basically run a multiple which in turn, takes out that chess match.
In Ncaa 11 if i see you have wisc as a playbook, i know what your core concept is. wisc still has passing formations but i know your core style. Same with Texas Tech Miss st ect...

With this almost every decent player will have all 14 parent formations i listed and have multiple plays from each one.

Keep in mind there are only so many formation unique plays, and bet your *** most guys will have everyone of them at their disposal.

i should feel confident i got a power run team in 3rd and 12. now it matters less. same with the air raid team inside the 10. Now both those teams will not be handicapped because they will have many plays for every situation.

Think of the audibles. Watch guys will audible from power i, to 5 wide to ace heavy, to wildcat and run no huddle. Im not worrying about stopping it. its that playing guys with different styles will actually decrease in my opinion.
Whats gonna be funny is some guys will run all these plays with players who are no best suited to run them. hopefully ratings and AI balance this.

[The JareBear]

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Im not complaining about the feature or complaining in general. As a core concept of football, gameplan and scheme should matter.

Now every team will basically run a multiple which in turn, takes out that chess match.
In Ncaa 11 if i see you have wisc as a playbook, i know what your core concept is. wisc still has passing formations but i know your core style. Same with Texas Tech Miss st ect...

With this almost every decent player will have all 14 parent formations i listed and have multiple plays from each one.

Keep in mind there are only so many formation unique plays, and bet your *** most guys will have everyone of them at their disposal.

i should feel confident i got a power run team in 3rd and 12. now it matters less. same with the air raid team inside the 10. Now both those teams will not be handicapped because they will have many plays for every situation.

Think of the audibles. Watch guys will audible from power i, to 5 wide to ace heavy, to wildcat and run no huddle. Im not worrying about stopping it. its that playing guys with different styles will actually decrease in my opinion.
Whats gonna be funny is some guys will run all these plays with players who are no best suited to run them. hopefully ratings and AI balance this.

Ok, I can give you credit for this post. I see your point.

I can definitely see the possibility of basically every good player running the same plays because, well, those plays are the best plays in the game, type of deal.

Hmmm.....interesting. I know in the OD I am that is still running strong with 12 users (its very dedicated) we all are way into it and have our own styles and whatnot so I would like to think that we will see some very diverse playbooks. However....you do raise an interesting question. Should there be a limit to the actual range of plays you can choose from?

It is true that in real life you wouldn't see a flexbone team come out in shotgun five wide or i-form tackle over but, as far as the audible concern I would LOVE for someone to come out in flex and audible to 5-wide, HBs at WR won't do crud. And especially going from shotgun to flex, yeah they might have speed in their backfield but better pray that ball doesn't get stripped.

Basically, upon further review, I do think you have valid concerns, but I truly feel like if you surround yourself with likeminded gamers the custom playbooks are going to add a new layer of depth and immersion as a "virtual coach." Especially if you can find dedicated ODs.

[blkrptnt819]

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Amen! Now we will play games online against Ga Tech, Texas Tech Oregon, Wisconsin, Stanford, Oklahoma and TCU all in the same game. Already saw the post saying can't wait to have my wishbone, spread, read-option, power I playbook. Yah cuz that makes the game so much more realistic.

So r u saying you can't stop it? The ppl that complain about it are the people who r agonizing over stopping it. Offense picks their play first problem solved. I honestly don't see one bad thing about this feature. U have a custom defense so I don't see the problem. A lot of the offenses on the game show a lot of different sets so what's the difference?

[The JareBear]

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So r u saying you can't stop it? The ppl that complain about it are the people who r agonizing over stopping it. Offense picks their play first problem solved. I honestly don't see one bad thing about this feature. U have a custom defense so I don't see the problem. A lot of the offenses on the game show a lot of different sets so what's the difference?

I agree with this. The custom defensive playbooks are going to be awesome for me. I am a defensive player

[coogrfan]

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So r u saying you can't stop it? The ppl that complain about it are the people who r agonizing over stopping it. Offense picks their play first problem solved. I honestly don't see one bad thing about this feature. U have a custom defense so I don't see the problem. A lot of the offenses on the game show a lot of different sets so what's the difference?

I think his point was that it is completely unrealistic to have a single team running wildly different offensive styles in the same game. If you're fine with that, cool.

[schumj]

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So r u saying you can't stop it? The ppl that complain about it are the people who r agonizing over stopping it. Offense picks their play first problem solved. I honestly don't see one bad thing about this feature. U have a custom defense so I don't see the problem. A lot of the offenses on the game show a lot of different sets so what's the difference?

It has nothing to do with agonizing over stopping it. It has everything to do with being realistic. Take a look at teams that change styles in the history of football. How many are able to go from one type to the next successfully in a years time? Now you will have teams that have 120 different styles in one game. There should be a penalty from being able to do this. I am not saying it is a terrible feature but a lot more would have to go into it to make it great. Your players should not be able to run the spread with the same success as the triple option. It should at least decrease awareness ratings across the board when you move from your "offensive style".

[The JareBear]

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But is it a bad thing? Seems kinda exciting to me.