Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

[PikeJR23]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

I disagree...I think this is better than nothing. Also, in the link you posted it said the two ratings you can edit for coaches is prestige and job security. That will make a tremendous difference. In NCAA 11 guys like Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer and Mack brown would lose their jobs for no reason at all. Hopefully with job security this is eliminated. Also guys like Rich Rod last year would go 8-4 and not be fired b/c the game didn't know that Rich Rod in real life was already on the hot seat at a prestigous school, so he wouldn't be fired.

Also the guy said that prestige is kind of like an overall rating of a coach so it will make a difference if we are able to establish who the elite coaches are (Saban, Stoops, Miles, Brown, Tressel, etc.) and who are the guys who shouldn't be considered at top tier schools. Also, with the addition of alma mater I'm assuming that this will have weight in the way college hire the next coach which is realistic. In the videos everything is generic as far as coaches/coordinators go so once we put in the realistic coaches/coordinators we may see less randomness. Because in the videos I see there are ALOT of generic A+ coordinators which there really shouldn't be any at all. If prestige is a raw overall of a coach then no coordinator should be an A+. And once that is eliminated you'll probably see teams stick with their B+ coach who's having a down year rather than go with the C coordinator who's had a great year with a team. Just saying, you might want to see how it works out before we condemn it.

[PaperBoyx703]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Wow... the whole CC stuff just lost 90% of its appeal for me...

Yeah I kinda just deflated. But Ill be done if the blog confirms these new lil developments.

Dont get me wrong, I will still buy the game, I've dealt with no CC in Dynasty before and I can deal with a less than gratifying one.

This game is just losing it hype.

It like eating a thick doughnut with frosting on top, hoping to meet some filling only to be left with plain old doughnut that looked promising from the outside but utter disapointment in the end, but you still eat it.

[DorianDonP]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

I disagree...I think this is better than nothing. Also, in the link you posted it said the two ratings you can edit for coaches is prestige and job security. That will make a tremendous difference. In NCAA 11 guys like Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer and Mack brown would lose their jobs for no reason at all. Hopefully with job security this is eliminated. Also guys like Rich Rod last year would go 8-4 and not be fired b/c the game didn't know that Rich Rod in real life was already on the hot seat at a prestigous school, so he wouldn't be fired.

Also the guy said that prestige is kind of like an overall rating of a coach so it will make a difference if we are able to establish who the elite coaches are (Saban, Stoops, Miles, Brown, Tressel, etc.) and who are the guys who shouldn't be considered at top tier schools. Also, with the addition of alma mater I'm assuming that this will have weight in the way college hire the next coach which is realistic. In the videos everything is generic as far as coaches/coordinators go so once we put in the realistic coaches/coordinators we may see less randomness. Because in the videos I see there are ALOT of generic A+ coordinators which there really shouldn't be any at all. If prestige is a raw overall of a coach then no coordinator should be an A+. And once that is eliminated you'll probably see teams stick with their B+ coach who's having a down year rather than go with the C coordinator who's had a great year with a team. Just saying, you might want to see how it works out before we condemn it.

Based on that Q&A, you can't edit those ratings while in dynasty. Everything would have to be done before you start the dynasty.

[MSU124]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

I disagree...I think this is better than nothing. Also, in the link you posted it said the two ratings you can edit for coaches is prestige and job security. That will make a tremendous difference. In NCAA 11 guys like Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer and Mack brown would lose their jobs for no reason at all. Hopefully with job security this is eliminated. Also guys like Rich Rod last year would go 8-4 and not be fired b/c the game didn't know that Rich Rod in real life was already on the hot seat at a prestigous school, so he wouldn't be fired.

Also the guy said that prestige is kind of like an overall rating of a coach so it will make a difference if we are able to establish who the elite coaches are (Saban, Stoops, Miles, Brown, Tressel, etc.) and who are the guys who shouldn't be considered at top tier schools. Also, with the addition of alma mater I'm assuming that this will have weight in the way college hire the next coach which is realistic. In the videos everything is generic as far as coaches/coordinators go so once we put in the realistic coaches/coordinators we may see less randomness. Because in the videos I see there are ALOT of generic A+ coordinators which there really shouldn't be any at all. If prestige is a raw overall of a coach then no coordinator should be an A+. And once that is eliminated you'll probably see teams stick with their B+ coach who's having a down year rather than go with the C coordinator who's had a great year with a team. Just saying, you might want to see how it works out before we condemn it.

But it doesn't matter if the stick with their B+ coach or hire a new one, the team will play the exact same.

[PikeJR23]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Based on that Q&A, you can't edit those ratings while in dynasty. Everything would have to be done before you start the dynasty.

Right that's the point. Like I said, if it were NCAA11 and Rich Rod had a down year in Year 1 of your dynasty he would not be fired. Where as in real life we both know what happened after this previous season. It wouldn't have happened w/o job security being in. Also, when Rich Rod was fired in NCAA11 they would still run the same spread, same playbook, same philosophy. That's an improvement even if it is cosmetic. And the guy also said "3) They do not effect during gameplay, however during simulations, the prestige rating does effect performance", so it does matter if you have Nick Saban (A+) versus someone like Dabo Swinney (C+). I'm just going by the info given so far. With the upcoming blogs and the embargo lifted I'm sure more clarity will be given on this but I think it's an upgrade for sure.

[Roggie]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Pike, first off, NOBODY said they'd rather have nothing than this. We're all saying that they left out the most important part.

Second, the "ratings" coaches are given have ZERO effect on the performance of your team. That's the issue.

[Ziza9Noles94]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

But don't coaches now recruit to their style of play? Wouldn't a D rated coach only be able to attract low level recruiting talent based on his low prestige rating> Thus affecting the depth and skill level of a team down the line?

[Tengo Juego]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Man, I knew to not get my hopes up. But it's still disappointing to read that a lot of the stuff we all want, still isn't in.

[JJ_Bills9]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Who cares. As long as I can still play football and it looks good, I don't care one thing about the extra crap in Dynasty mode. My only concern is fixing recruiting so prestige isn't the only determining factor that makes recruits interested in schools.

[RynoAid]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Pike, first off, NOBODY said they'd rather have nothing than this. We're all saying that they left out the most important part.

Second, the "ratings" coaches are given have ZERO effect on the performance of your team. That's the issue.

false, there is a progression boost directly related to the prestige rating of each coach. So in turn, that has an effect on a lot of different areas.

[PikeJR23]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

But it doesn't matter if the stick with their B+ coach or hire a new one, the team will play the exact same.

That's not entirely true. If the previous B+ coach was an Spread/Option coach and he recruited for that philosophy then it will make a big different in the immediate future. I haven't heard anything on that issue (the blog for friday might shed light on that). So if you hire another B+ coach but he's more pro style then it will make a difference. That B+ coach will now have the previous personnel, and his best QB maybe an option QB with low ACC and THP. That will make it hard on that coach in the immediate future to accomplish goals that are required to keep his job. So again, you guys aren't look deep enough into the effects of philosophy changes and prestige (when edited before the start of the dynasty to reflect real life).

I could be wrong, but the upcoming info will be intriguing. Now if your concern is in the generic coaches that are created after the start of the dynasty, yes that would be a concern that I see. But again, with job security, jobs like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc. shouldn't open up immediately within the first 5-10 years. And even when they do, if alma mater was done right, guys like Kirby Smart (Alabama) or Major Applewhite (Texas) will be first in line hopefully. This is all wishful thinking of course.

[dan_457]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

I'd love to have ratings too, but some of you must not realize the massive overhaul that would be required to implement them, it's just not possible to do in only a year. Recruiting would need overhauled, Progression would need overhauled, school prestige would need overhauled, and numerous other changes as well. I'm loving what we've got and will make the most of it. It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than what it was.

[volstopfan14]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

This is very dissapointing to me. You would think things like ratings and hiring your own assistants would be so obvious that you couldn't miss them. I really hope EA builds on this next year because this has a TON of potential. I'm glad that coaching carousel is in and it is better than nothing but ever since the IGN article it seems everything has gone downhill. At least I will now get to see my coach standing on the sideline.

[PikeJR23]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

Pike, first off, NOBODY said they'd rather have nothing than this. We're all saying that they left out the most important part.

Second, the "ratings" coaches are given have ZERO effect on the performance of your team. That's the issue.

All I said was the OP was overreacting a bit. He said he'd rather this feature not be in at all. He stated "this year CC is a big waste to me". You didn't say it Roggie, but he did. I understand the concerns about no actual ratings, I'm with you on that but I also see the positives outweigh the negatives. That's all I'm trying to get across. This is a big upgrade over last years system. Also, they guy doing Q&A stated that Prestige has an effect on simulated games. Which obviously would effect all games between CPU teams and yours (if simulated). But that's based on that guy's statement in the original link. Who knows if he's right or not.

[Da Hype Iz Real]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

That's not entirely true. If the previous B+ coach was an Spread/Option coach and he recruited for that philosophy then it will make a big different in the immediate future. I haven't heard anything on that issue (the blog for friday might shed light on that). So if you hire another B+ coach but he's more pro style then it will make a difference. That B+ coach will now have the previous personnel, and his best QB maybe an option QB with low ACC and THP. That will make it hard on that coach in the immediate future to accomplish goals that are required to keep his job. So again, you guys aren't look deep enough into the effects of philosophy changes and prestige (when edited before the start of the dynasty to reflect real life).

I could be wrong, but the upcoming info will be intriguing. Now if your concern is in the generic coaches that are created after the start of the dynasty, yes that would be a concern that I see. But again, with job security, jobs like Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, etc. shouldn't open up immediately within the first 5-10 years. And even when they do, if alma mater was done right, guys like Kirby Smart (Alabama) or Major Applewhite (Texas) will be first in line hopefully. This is all wishful thinking of course.

The change in philosophies and playbooks alone is the biggest thing for me. People fail to realize how game changing this can be I think. If the whole conference has spread offenses and that bottom feeder gets a 3-3-5 DC then maybe they match up better and win more games and such.