Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

[hkwforAUTigers]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

I think you should be banned. Let the posters offer their opinions. At least this post was not negative. I swear everyone is too negative. EA programmers must be sick and tired of the community since this kind of over-reaction and negatively persists.

This is true and people do get negative (I know that I get negative sometimes), but remember that this is a business. They get payed to make the game to my (the consumers) standards and make me want to buy it.

Think of it like a carwash: there is only 1 carwash station in town, and your car is really dirty. You get it washed, and the job is so-so. you are promised upgrades are coming to the carwash system, and that it will get better. Next time you come back (remember that this is your only choice for a carwash) the job is only marginally better. Not only do you have the right, but you have the responsibility to speak up and say that something is wrong.

Now I know that no one forces us to buy the game, but they are getting payed to make the only college football game available. Don't think for one second that people shouldn't complain, because the day that people stop complaining is the day that the game will become turrible.

just my 2 cents...

[austezie]

The goal numbers are very unrealistic just like the recruits workout numbers. I was hoping for a spring game :-/

[PaperBoyx703]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

@Donovan Warren example: Not a good one, since he left early and went undrafted. He didn't really develop them. He had the talent, but he personally never helped them improve. His D coordinator worked with them, since RR admitted to spending 98% of his time with the offense. Which is why we need a little more than one broad prestige rating.

How many of those guys did Rich Rod recruit? Warren was there before him, if I'm not mistaken (RS Junior), Graham, Brown, and Mouton weren't his recruits either. He recruited 2, maybe 3, guys that look like they could be NFL quality. A team like Michigan should have 2-3 A YEAR.

And did you just use NCAA ratings to justify a coach in real life? Um... I'm not even sure how to respond to that. A guy worthy of a 91 overall rating, especially a corner, would NEVER go undrafted. He was more like an 83 or so who needed another year badly.

A few things:

1) Rich Rod players were constantly changing from 2008-2010 transitioning from pro style, players to spread opt players, thats why his focus was primarily on offense

2) 2010 Rich Rod FINALLY had his players set in place and the spread option guru was ready to go for 2011

3) Yes he admitted he focused on Offense but that doesnt mean he didnt have a positive impact on the Defense whenever he got in their faces during the game screaming to top of his lungs for them to step up, they had some pep in their step but they were young, outsized in the BIG TEN(Wisconsin RAN THE BALL THE WHOLE SECOND HALF and still Won) and MOST IMPORTANTLY had a horrid D-Cord

4) Greg Robinson(D-Cord) used a teddy bear(i love to forget which game) to motivate his players, and he came from Syracuse, which BTW did better on defense once he left.

5) The only thing to blame Rich Rod was his D-Cord Choice(Robinson *they were friends*) and extended practice(NCAA GOT US) and some minute tradition blunders(Wearing Red I laughed though and a close one withe the #1 jersey almost giving it to a DB).

6) He still recruited very well for both sides(bringing in very good prospects on D) of the ball(2 top 25 classes) and to say he had NO positive or skills or interest in the defense is foolish and you know nothing about how the program was being handled at the time just going by what was analyzed and ESPN sportcenter highlights.

7) Back to the Scenario of Rich Rod being an A prestige and affecting the whole team but D-Cords and O-Cords have prestiges too I beileve they are 1-3 stars(plz correct me if im wrong) So Rich Rod can have a good effect while the bad 1 star D-Cord will hold the Defense back or make the D perform badly(Which was the case in real life for Michigan fro 2008-2010)

8) Lastly why is the Rich Rod prestige even relevant? Why is this even an argument? Last I heard the man has moved back to West VA and is still looking to join a CBS network and be a sports analyst. So this doesnt make any sense because he is not coaching. So he wont even be in the game.

[zethisis]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

I'm gonna be 100% real about this. EA plain and simple is lazy and doesn't want to make a satisfying product. Since there is no competition they don't have to put out a quality Football game. We've seen it with Madden and NCAA. The only reason they put those changes in Madden this year was because their license is about to expire soon. I guarantee the year when 2k can make a College football/NFL game it will be better than anything EA puts out. And as far as the CC goes, it's okay but they should have added so much more. It was the bare minimum but the fact that you can't hire OC/DC is really disapointing and takes the cake. The Coach prestige system needs to be totally redone. They didn't really change anything with that system besides the arrows telling you how you did. It was almost merely the same thing as it was the last 4 years.

The goals for the OC/DC are okay but they can be retuned too, like coordinators actually gaining prestige for having the best Defense/offense in their conference/Nation/or getting a 4,5 star recruit to come to you're school/Top recruiting classes/ or even having a player on you're side of the field projected as a first round pick or winning a award. Something that actually matters in real college football. They also do need to add actually ratings to the coach system. Something along the lines of: Recruiting(Affects how much you're calls and visits sway recruits), Offense, Defense, Prestige. There also needs to be a spring game added to the dynasty mode as a way of really seeing who should be on field playing. (In my opinion there's no excuse as to why this isn't in the game by now. It's really just a modified practice). Senior Bowl games should also be included.


Also this is what really got me fuming and EA is gonna have to fix this but each Coordinator should only recruit their side of the ball instead of recruiting everybody. So basically they stripped you of either controlling the offense/defense but you're gonna do all of the recruiting. So basically they pretty much implemented goals (the arrows pointing in either the negative or the positive), the ability to only play on one side of the field and the ability to still recruit everybody. So most likely, the fellow CPU coaches aren't gonna do any recruiting and you're gonna do all of it. Basically the same features that they've had for the past 5 years. This is real ****ty on EA's part. And everybody on here know EA be on here reading these forums. Just give us what we want in a game. Freaking 2K listened to us about the NBA 2k series and look what it got them. It's a pretty good game even if it isn't perfect. Sadly the day the license is up is the day we will get a good football game.

[pmurray20]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

I'm gonna be 100% real about this. EA plain and simple is lazy and doesn't want to make a satisfying product. Since there is no competition they don't have to put out a quality Football game. We've seen it with Madden and NCAA. The only reason they put those changes in Madden this year was because their license is about to expire soon. I guarantee the year when 2k can make a College football/NFL game it will be better than anything EA puts out. And as far as the CC goes, it's okay but they should have added so much more. It was the bare minimum but the fact that you can't hire OC/DC is really disapointing and takes the cake. The Coach prestige system needs to be totally redone. They didn't really change anything with that system besides the arrows telling you how you did. It was almost merely the same thing as it was the last 4 years.

The goals for the OC/DC are okay but they can be retuned too, like coordinators actually gaining prestige for having the best Defense/offense in their conference/Nation/or getting a 4,5 star recruit to come to you're school/Top recruiting classes/ or even having a player on you're side of the field projected as a first round pick or winning a award. Something that actually matters in real college football.

Also this is what really got me fuming and EA is gonna have to fix this but each Coordinator should only recruit their side of the ball instead of recruiting everybody. So basically they stripped you of either controlling the offense/defense but you're gonna do all of the recruiting. So basically they pretty much implemented goals (the arrows pointing in either the negative or the positive), the ability to only play on one side of the field and the ability to still recruit everybody. So most likely, the fellow CPU coaches aren't gonna do any recruiting and you're gonna do all of it. Basically the same features that they've had for the past 5 years. This is real ****ty on EA's part. And everybody on here know EA be on here reading these forums. Just give us what we want in a game. Freaking 2K listened to us about the NBA 2k series and look what it got them. It's a pretty good game even if it isn't perfect. Sadly the day the license is up is the day we will get a good football game.

u said they could have added more? are u kidding me this is the first year they have CC in and other features and yet you still complain. maybe you should buy this game and just go in a closet and play the quiet game. Because to be honest i will be playing this game all the time, there may be some bugs but that doesnt mean im going to flip out on EA and say that they cant make a good football game. and as far as 2K their servers flat out suck, they are always down when you want to play and are back up when you dont care

[hkwforAUTigers]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

u said they could have added more? are u kidding me this is the first year they have CC in and other features and yet you still complain. maybe you should buy this game and just go in a closet and play the quiet game. Because to be honest i will be playing this game all the time, there may be some bugs but that doesnt mean im going to flip out on EA and say that they cant make a good football game. and as far as 2K their servers flat out suck, they are always down when you want to play and are back up when you dont care

They should not have spent all their time CC when they could have improved many things (ie practice, offseason workouts, spring game, medical redshirts, etc.). Instead they gave us a half complete mostly cosmetic CC. I'm not even close to satisfied. Its not necessarily that 2K made better games, but that they were competition and forced EA to make enhancement. lets face it, they are a monopoly right now.

[DorianDonP]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

Also this is what really got me fuming and EA is gonna have to fix this but each Coordinator should only recruit their side of the ball instead of recruiting everybody. So basically they stripped you of either controlling the offense/defense but you're gonna do all of the recruiting. So basically they pretty much implemented goals (the arrows pointing in either the negative or the positive), the ability to only play on one side of the field and the ability to still recruit everybody. So most likely, the fellow CPU coaches aren't gonna do any recruiting and you're gonna do all of it.

In real life, the coordinators recruit both sides of the ball. Jimbo Fisher, when he was strictly an OC at LSU, recruited both offensive and defensive prospects. That goes for pretty much every assistant in college football.

What EA should have done (IMO) was designate a region and a set number of prospects they want you to sign. For instance, if you are a coach at Georgia they want you to sign at least one player from Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, and they want you to sign 10 players in total. Then should also tell you what positions to recruit, for instance your coach wants 2 RBs, 3 OL, 2 LBs, 2 DTs, one K. If you recruited those three states, signed 10 players and met your positional needs then you met your goals for recruiting, if not, you failed.

[canes21]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

In real life, the coordinators recruit both sides of the ball. Jimbo Fisher, when he was strictly an OC at LSU, recruited both offensive and defensive prospects. That goes for pretty much every assistant in college football.

What EA should have done (IMO) was designate a region and a set number of prospects they want you to sign. For instance, if you are a coach at Georgia they want you to sign at least one player from Florida, Georgia, and Alabama, and they want you to sign 10 players in total. Then should also tell you what positions to recruit, for instance your coach wants 2 RBs, 3 OL, 2 LBs, 2 DTs, one K. If you recruited those three states, signed 10 players and met your positional needs then you met your goals for recruiting, if not, you failed.

It would be too hard to program the game to make coordinators recruit both sides of the ball, but in regions. In real life you have 8+ position coaches, thats why they can do regions. In NCAA 12 they should have made you stick to your side of the ball. Although it isn't realistic, it is the best solution to only having 3 coaches.

[metallidevils]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

This is a perfect example of why sports games should have 2 years development cycles, with every other year just being a roster update.

[CHIEFxxROCKEM]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

With all the arguing going on above me, I hope neutral site games are in.

[justblaze09]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

Some people will just never be happy. No matter what they won't be satisfied

[DorianDonP]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

It would be too hard to program the game to make coordinators recruit both sides of the ball, but in regions. In real life you have 8+ position coaches, thats why they can do regions. In NCAA 12 they should have made you stick to your side of the ball. Although it isn't realistic, it is the best solution to only having 3 coaches.

I didn't say the game needed to make the CPU coordinators recruit regions. I'm talking about the user. The rest of the recruiting class would be filled out like it is right now. The CPU recruiting wherever. But the user coordinator should have a region and both side of the ball to recruit. There's nothing difficult about that from a programming standpoint. It's simply maintaining a pipeline (already in the game) and signing positional needs (already in the game).

[The JareBear]

Re: Providing Detail and Clarity to Changes Found in NCAA Football 12 Dynasty Mode

Some people will just never be happy. No matter what they won't be satisfied

I agree with Blaze. I think NCAA 12 is going to be great. I still play 11 and with the improvements I am sure I will be playing 12 til the day 13 comes out. The fans ask EA for so much and when a number of things are put in or improved on its never enough. When they put in coach ratings there won't be enough ratings, or they won't be dynamic and change week to week, or they won't affect recruiting enough.

From what I read, it sounds like the IMPORTANT stuff is getting worked on. On TGS the guys said CPU QBs scramble more often, I have read that CPU will now recruit more wisely, which is a BIG deal. The CC will be fun and they make it sound like you will have to work hard for an A+ prestige. The customization options, improved defense (hopefully, still not sold but hopeful on this), and graphic improvements warrant a must buy status to me.

[FOREST007]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

I just don't understand how people aren't ticked about it being half-assed.

It's EA, I've come to expect these types of things from them, so I never even got my hopes up. I'm just waiting for all the ragers when something goes terribly wrong with Franchise in Madden

[canes21]

Re: Coach ratings are not in.

It's EA, I've come to expect these types of things from them, so I never even got my hopes up. I'm just waiting for all the ragers when something goes terribly wrong with Franchise in Madden

I think we have all come to expect everything EA does will have obvious faults. I hate to be like that because I truly beleive the guys working on the game are doing the best tbey can, but their pride gets in the way, or something else does. We, the fans, tell them what we want, so they give us something, but always put an EA twist on it.

We get ESPN presentation, but the replay angles are EA'd and are unrealistic and upset us more than making us happy. Then with the CC they don't add individual ratins which is disappointing, but somewhat understandable, but it also looks like they went their own way and made sure it was accessible and make sure you get one offer every year and it looks like it is easy to get a job. It needs to be like 2k8 where we need to earn our jobs. I am in year 7 and still have not gotten any better offers than a few mid majors in 2k8 which is what we want. We have the ability to choose our favorite teams, so there is no reason to make the CC easy to get the jobs at the top school.