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  • hbk_wess
    Rookie
    • Jan 2009
    • 209

    #76
    Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

    I like a challenge...so ill probably take a 1 star school's OC job and see just what I can do from there.

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    • DR_Drake_Ramore
      Banned
      • Jul 2008
      • 11

      #77
      Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

      Originally posted by canes21
      Oh well. We have a base now I guess. I was initally excited when we first heard about the CC, but as everyone knows by now, I am very disappointed in the implementation of it. Something is better than nothing, but I highly doubt the CC will do anything besides have teams run slightly different schemes every once in awhile.

      I am hoping next year they go all out because there will be no excuse to not have it on at least the same level as 2k8 then. You can say the CC in 2k8 took 3-4 years, but that was also over half a decade ago and EA should be able to get it in within 2 years.

      Without any true ratings top schools will always be on top while the bottom feeders will always be that way. I went from CC being my most anticipated feature to it being the improvement I care about least in this year's game. I am more excited to hear that teams actually recruit to their styles now. Hopefully EA implemented that one completely right.
      There are two wishes I have. First is that I wish you would just STOP posting because you are pessemistic, ill-informed, unintellegent, whiney, nonsensical, and you will never be happy with anything EA Sports can or will do. At the end of the day I'd prefer if you do not buy and play any EA Sports game and stick with your 2K releases.

      My second wish is that you would change your forum avatar, because I am a huge Braves fan and you are completely representing them badly with your antics in this forum.

      Can I get a Whitness?

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      • cts
        Two Oh Six
        • Jul 2002
        • 246

        #78
        Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

        I love videos! You can talk all you want about something, but to see it in motion takes it to another level.

        On a side note: I just found out about the option to ignore posts from certain users.

        Greatest. Addition. Ever.

        Now browsing these forums over the next couple of months, or so will be much more enjoyable!
        || Luck Favors The Prepared

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        • DorianDonP
          MVP
          • May 2010
          • 1121

          #79
          Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

          I'm very interested in seeing how the CPU controlled CC will play out over the course of multiple years in Dynasty. I'm concerned that the good teams in 2011 will be the same good teams in 2021. I'm hoping for bad coaching hires so that the landscape of the super powers will change every so often. Texas doesn't stay on top forever. Bama doesn't. Florida doesn't, etc, and Oregon will rise, Boise will rise, and West Virginia will rise, etc.

          I'm also hoping that in 2020, there won't by 70 teams running the triple option or something like that. Hopefully the the generated coaches in the game don't get random coaching styles, but they stay in proportion to the coaching styles of the coaches in real life. The majority of the teams should have pro-style/spread offenses.

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          • cts
            Two Oh Six
            • Jul 2002
            • 246

            #80
            Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

            Originally posted by DorianDonP
            I'm very interested in seeing how the CPU controlled CC will play out over the course of multiple years in Dynasty. I'm concerned that the good teams in 2011 will be the same good teams in 2021. I'm hoping for bad coaching hires so that the landscape of the super powers will change every so often. Texas doesn't stay on top forever. Bama doesn't. Florida doesn't, etc, and Oregon will rise, Boise will rise, and West Virginia will rise, etc.

            I'm also hoping that in 2020, there won't by 70 teams running the triple option or something like that. Hopefully the the generated coaches in the game don't get random coaching styles, but they stay in proportion to the coaching styles of the coaches in real life. The majority of the teams should have pro-style/spread offenses.
            I'm interested to see the down-the-road effect of everything, also. Do the versions that the handful of people that have the game not allow for you to sim multiple seasons? I'm assuming not, since some thing probably aren't finalized yet.
            || Luck Favors The Prepared

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            • osubeavs721
              Banned
              • Dec 2008
              • 1577

              #81
              Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

              Originally posted by canes21
              The prestige affects recruiting because it is one pitch. That one pitch can be avoided and most recruits in 11 had Very Low interest in it. And then it affects progression. I doubt its anything major. We'll probably see A prestige coaches constantly having player progress at least 4 points a season while lower prestige coaches have players progress more inconsistently. And all that will do is keep the top programs on top while the bottom ones stay there.
              You doubt it affects anything major... thats right you dont KNOW. please stop posting because you dont know what you are talking about. i have a dynasty in 2k8 where my coach is a stud but the assistants suck and i still dominate. Stop proclaiming your assistants matter in that game they dont.

              And NCAA 12's CC is deeper techinally. Because in 2k8 you dont start as an assistant. In NCAA 12 you can start off as an OC/DC. You're making 2k8 sound like its the most complex thing ever when its not. Its a nice feature just like NCAA 12's and they are on par with each other from what I can tell with the information that has been released on NCAA 12's. I will know once the game is released. But its looks good with all this information released

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              • canes21
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2008
                • 22926

                #82
                Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                Originally posted by DR_Drake_Ramore
                There are two wishes I have. First is that I wish you would just STOP posting because you are pessemistic, ill-informed, unintellegent, whiney, nonsensical, and you will never be happy with anything EA Sports can or will do. At the end of the day I'd prefer if you do not buy and play any EA Sports game and stick with your 2K releases.

                My second wish is that you would change your forum avatar, because I am a huge Braves fan and you are completely representing them badly with your antics in this forum.

                Can I get a Whitness?
                I find this post a bit comical. I'm okay with you disagreeing with me, but their is no need for name calling. Saying things like I am whiney, unintelligent, etc. is just silly and plain wrong.

                And to say I will never be happy with EA Sports is completely wrong. The last game I played on my 360 was Fight Night Champion, an EA Sports game. Also, chances are I will be buying NCAA 1w during the midnight release. I am very disappointed in how the CC has turned out, but the retuned CPU recruiting, improved defense, and other additions are enough to make me spend the $30 it cost me to buy the game.

                I may come off as someone who hates EA, but I do not mean to be like that. I truly appreciate their efforts, but at the same time I don't like how they've handled the CC. To me the most important part is ratings, so it seems pointless to me. That is my opinion. I hope I am dead wrong in what I have said, but I doubt the CC really does much this year outside of having teams switch schemes every few years. Other than that it will pretty much be the same dynasty mode we've had in terms of coaches and their effects.
                “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”


                ― Plato

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                • osubeavs721
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 1577

                  #83
                  Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                  Originally posted by canes21
                  I find this post a bit comical. I'm okay with you disagreeing with me, but their is no need for name calling. Saying things like I am whiney, unintelligent, etc. is just silly and plain wrong.

                  And to say I will never be happy with EA Sports is completely wrong. The last game I played on my 360 was Fight Night Champion, an EA Sports game. Also, chances are I will be buying NCAA 1w during the midnight release. I am very disappointed in how the CC has turned out, but the retuned CPU recruiting, improved defense, and other additions are enough to make me spend the $30 it cost me to buy the game.

                  I may come off as someone who hates EA, but I do not mean to be like that. I truly appreciate their efforts, but at the same time I don't like how they've handled the CC. To me the most important part is ratings, so it seems pointless to me. That is my opinion. I hope I am dead wrong in what I have said, but I doubt the CC really does much this year outside of having teams switch schemes every few years. Other than that it will pretty much be the same dynasty mode we've had in terms of coaches and their effects.
                  i dont think you come off as someone who hates EA, i just think you have unrealistic memories of 2k8. though. the only thing really different in NCAA 12 (from the info they released) and 2k8, is that in 2k8 you get to hire your assistant coaches.

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                  • DR_Drake_Ramore
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 11

                    #84
                    Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                    Originally posted by canes21
                    I find this post a bit comical. I'm okay with you disagreeing with me, but their is no need for name calling. Saying things like I am whiney, unintelligent, etc. is just silly and plain wrong.

                    And to say I will never be happy with EA Sports is completely wrong. The last game I played on my 360 was Fight Night Champion, an EA Sports game. Also, chances are I will be buying NCAA 1w during the midnight release. I am very disappointed in how the CC has turned out, but the retuned CPU recruiting, improved defense, and other additions are enough to make me spend the $30 it cost me to buy the game.

                    I may come off as someone who hates EA, but I do not mean to be like that. I truly appreciate their efforts, but at the same time I don't like how they've handled the CC. To me the most important part is ratings, so it seems pointless to me. That is my opinion. I hope I am dead wrong in what I have said, but I doubt the CC really does much this year outside of having teams switch schemes every few years. Other than that it will pretty much be the same dynasty mode we've had in terms of coaches and their effects.
                    OK. I get your point, it's just your opinion. Newsflash, your opinion is wrong, which is a fact backed up by the Blog updates which detail all the various ways that the CC is implemented. Take off your 'Coach rating' blinders and you'll be much happier with this NCAA 12 CC feature.

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                    • Da Hype Iz Real
                      Rookie
                      • May 2010
                      • 115

                      #85
                      Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                      Originally posted by osubeavs721
                      i dont think you come off as someone who hates EA, i just think you have unrealistic memories of 2k8. though. the only thing really different in NCAA 12 (from the info they released) and 2k8, is that in 2k8 you get to hire your assistant coaches.
                      There were more ratings for coaches teaching/offense/defense and there was a rating for how ambitious assistants were.
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                      • canes21
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 22926

                        #86
                        Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                        Originally posted by osubeavs721
                        i dont think you come off as someone who hates EA, i just think you have unrealistic memories of 2k8. though. the only thing really different in NCAA 12 (from the info they released) and 2k8, is that in 2k8 you get to hire your assistant coaches.
                        I still play 2k8 to this day. I probably get in 5 games a week on average, so those memories are very fresh. Coach ratings do matter or at least with the sliders we use. I can definitely tell a difference in how players have progressed the past few years compared to when we started the legacy. I also can see major differences in defense because I now have sported the #1 defense in my conferences the past few years and its not the recruits I am getting. Yea, they're better, but me an my assistants are making these players gain defensive skills through our ratings and throughout practices my players are gaining more points in their Def rating than ever before.
                        “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”


                        ― Plato

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                        • sniperhare
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 1145

                          #87
                          Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                          So if you're playing as an OC you don't control your players? All you do is call plays?

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                          • Gosens6
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 6101

                            #88
                            Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                            Originally posted by canes21
                            I still play 2k8 to this day. I probably get in 5 games a week on average, so those memories are very fresh. Coach ratings do matter or at least with the sliders we use. I can definitely tell a difference in how players have progressed the past few years compared to when we started the legacy. I also can see major differences in defense because I now have sported the #1 defense in my conferences the past few years and its not the recruits I am getting. Yea, they're better, but me an my assistants are making these players gain defensive skills through our ratings and throughout practices my players are gaining more points in their Def rating than ever before.
                            Even so, the comparisons are getting a bit ridiculous. 2K sports made CH2K8, not EA Sports.

                            EA Sports obviously didn't copy exactly how 2K did it and why should they? It's their first year putting this feature in and they want to do it their way. So the comparisons to a game that was put out in 2007, by a different company, who obviously had a different vision just need to stop and stop now.

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                            • canes21
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 22926

                              #89
                              Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                              Originally posted by DR_Drake_Ramore
                              OK. I get your point, it's just your opinion. Newsflash, your opinion is wrong, which is a fact backed up by the Blog updates which detail all the various ways that the CC is implemented. Take off your 'Coach rating' blinders and you'll be much happier with this NCAA 12 CC feature.
                              I am happy we finally have a foundation for a CC don't get me wrong. But I am disappointed in what we have this year. This may be very well because my expectations were to high, but I have the right to be upset about the feature I find most important in Dynasty mode.

                              And what "facts" am I wronf about? Right now we know the Coach Prestige affects the progression of players and the one pitch in recruiting. How much exactly? We don't know. It is pure speculation right now. In my opinion ,though, I feel with what we have now that the only major difference we will notice in Dynasty is the changing of playbooks over time. I don't think much else will change with the CC we have now.
                              “No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.”


                              ― Plato

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                              • goalieump413
                                Stay thirsty my friends
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 488

                                #90
                                Re: Coaching Carousel blog is posted!

                                Originally posted by DorianDonP
                                I'm very interested in seeing how the CPU controlled CC will play out over the course of multiple years in Dynasty. I'm concerned that the good teams in 2011 will be the same good teams in 2021. I'm hoping for bad coaching hires so that the landscape of the super powers will change every so often. Texas doesn't stay on top forever. Bama doesn't. Florida doesn't, etc, and Oregon will rise, Boise will rise, and West Virginia will rise, etc.

                                I'm also hoping that in 2020, there won't by 70 teams running the triple option or something like that. Hopefully the the generated coaches in the game don't get random coaching styles, but they stay in proportion to the coaching styles of the coaches in real life. The majority of the teams should have pro-style/spread offenses.
                                Let's hope this was fully tested. There's an upward spiral effect present when top programs ALWAYS get the best recruits, and this year, coaches.

                                If I were building this game, I'd make sure to include some sort of random event generator (Ohio State/Jim Tressel) that knocks down top programs for violations and random coaching departures. If not, coaching philosophy pyramid structures develop that, as you mention, install clone offenses throughout large blocks of schools.

                                On the other hand, it IS realistic in the sense that Bill Walsh created this effect with his West Coast Offense. Look how many NFL teams now run it.

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