NCAA Football 12 Blog - Coach Carousel

[fcboiler87]

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Okay, finally on my computer so I can type what I really want to say.

So far what we have seen from EA's CC is that coaches have one dominant rating and that is it. That rating is prestige. What that affects is how much players progress under them, how well a team performs in simulated games, and one pitch in the recruiting phase. The thing is, we don't know how big of a difference players progress under an A+ coach and a C- coach. Do they always get at least 4 points improvement under the A+ coach or is there more of a possibility to see the "Max Improvement" that has been in the game for some time? Under the C- coach do they sometimes not progress, or only progress up to 3 points a year at the very best? We don't know how much impact they really have.

Instead of quoting your entire post, I'll only have part of it. But I'd like to say it was an excellent post as far as outlining what the CC should look like at some point. I don't know what to expect from the CC this year because like you mentioned, we don't know the details. It is the first year of it and as pointed out by others it took 2k a few years to get it right on college hoops. But I do wish there was more depth to the CC. I give EA plenty of credit and think it's an excellent start. But after this year I will expect it to be much more in depth, largely as described in your post. All in all, I'm looking forward to this game as even a base CC will provide significantly more depth than ever before.

[poopoop]

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also, i read these forums EVERYDAY, never post, but i remember before any info about dynasty or even the game was out, evryone was saying, oh if there is no CC im not buying or it will be a great dissapointment

now that we have the details about the CC and junk, everyone is b**ching anyways, it ridiculous, settle people, its a great addition

you're grouping two different sets of people together in order to point out a contradiction that isn't actually there.

I guess it IS true. You can't fix stupid.

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I'm done with this thread. No no colonel Sanders Something's wrong with YOUR madula amblingata!

Sorry but I had to laugh at this.

[Da Hype Iz Real]

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Anybody care to guess what happens when being a Coordinator and if you are watching the other side of the ball what sliders would be in effect User and CPU or CPU for both sides if sliders are even in effect at all.

[SlickRick11]

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im so pumped about this game

[sparkdawg777]

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I guess it IS true. You can't fix stupid. Now your complaint is because they didn't give specifics on how much of a progression boost the coach has on the players, you're discounting that part of the CC feature alltogether, WTF. And because you THINK Coach prestige pitch was never high on recruits likes (which is flat wrong btw) you are discounting this part of the CC feature as well. And since you are so hard of hearing, let me reinterate that loyalty is the second pitch that CC has an effect on for recruiting. Maybe you should read your posts out loud to yourself before pressing the submit reply button. Here you are again discounting facts or minimizing them as if they don't matter to come up with your complaint.

WEAK.

I'm done with this thread. No no colonel Sanders Something's wrong with YOUR madula amblingata!

Ok have to admit that you are showing your immaturity right here. I didn't see one post where cane talked bad about you. He is just defending his thoughts on how CC should be. So there is no reason to get mad at him because you don't like his opinion.

Also to say that we can't compare CH2k8's CC to NCAA 12's just shows your ignorance of the CC in CH2k8. You kept saying how they shouldn't be compared because they are 2 different sports. Well if you have ever played the CC in CH2k8 you will see the coaches ratings are attributes like Scouting, Recruiting, Charisma, Offense, Defense, and a few others can't remember exactly but those can all be tied in to football. So the FACT is YOU are wrong.

On that note I still think CC will be fine but like some have said it could have been better and it WILL be. I'm still glad we have it over nothing at all.

[canes21]

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Ok have to admit that you are showing your immaturity right here. I didn't see one post where cane talked bad about you. He is just defending his thoughts on how CC should be. So there is no reason to get mad at him because you don't like his opinion.

Also to say that we can't compare CH2k8's CC to NCAA 12's just shows your ignorance of the CC in CH2k8. You kept saying how they shouldn't be compared because they are 2 different sports. Well if you have ever played the CC in CH2k8 you will see the coaches ratings are attributes like Scouting, Recruiting, Charisma, Offense, Defense, and a few others can't remember exactly but those can all be tied in to football. So the FACT is YOU are wrong.

On that note I still think CC will be fine but like some have said it could have been better and it WILL be. I'm still glad we have it over nothing at all.

Thanks for agreeing with me, but a few pages back we were told not to bring up 2k8 in this thread anymore. Just thought I would warn you.

[arobbi3]

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Okay, finally on my computer so I can type what I really want to say.

VERY nice post. NCAA with coaching carousel at that depth would be any dynasty player's dream. I see why you're frustrated with the CC implemented now. I am perfectly happy with what is in now, but if EA eventually had CC into that level....

Hopefully more details about the prestige rating's effect on players will come out Friday.

[PaperBoyx703]

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How bout we let everyone have their opinions and assumptions. If people want to speculate and assume things based off selective viewing and hearing, let em. For those who want to turn a blind eye to facts already stated by impressions and the Devs themselves then let the game prove them wrong.

This isnt politics theres no need to debate this for this long, im pretty sure these trivial arguments, which are funny but get old quick, dont affect the games sales. I hope this is over because this indifference about CC has gone on too long.

Its in the game deal with it. The way it is is the way it is, take it or leave it. Its as simple as that

[goravens2052]

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Nice. I like what I saw here. Hopefully Coaching Carousel makes it's way to Madden Franchise Mode at some point since the NFL sees that happening every year.

I have to say if they had something where you could import the Created Coaches to Madden like say after you build up 2 or 3 teams, you get an "offer" from a NFL Team and you have the option to import him to Madden as well as re-signing or going to another College Team, than this could really add more fun to NCAA.

[CurryStorm]

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Okay, finally on my computer so I can type what I really want to say.

Teaching: This rating dictates how well players progress under your watch. If you have an A+ or 95+ rating, the players are going to consistently grow 4-5 points per year at the very least. If you are average in this category, then some player might have big jumps while others stay the same or possibly get worse.

Very nice, in-depth post. I also feel that the CC should have different coach ratings, but I'm just so happy to actually have a CC in a college football game, I'm not going to worry about it until next year or so. Coaches are so important in football, from the head coach to the special teams coordinator and so on, that this has been something that should have been implemented years ago. I wish it were a little more in-depth, but I'm going to have to play it first before I make any kind of judgement or worry too much about what may or may not be in.

The reason I quoted you, though, if for the teaching rating. This rating would have to be carefully thought out. I wouldn't want players to ALWAYS improve 4+ points just because they have a good coach. Some players just don't improve no matter what their talent level is or the coaching they receive. If you put too much emphasis on how a head coach improves players attributes, you're going to lose some of what makes individual players unique.

I think, taking your example, a coach with an A+ teaching should get large jumps from a higher *percentage* of their players than a coach with a lower rating. Maybe an A+ teaching coach will normally get 4 or 5 points of improvement from 65% (or whatever) of their team, while a C+ teaching coach would only get 4 or 5 points of improvement from 30% (or whatever) of their team. I just think there should be some players that, no matter who the coach is, they're just not going to improve and some players that are going to improve 5 points every single year no matter who the coach.

Maybe a more complex situation would be for recruits to have hidden ratings that would break each recruit into one of three types: 1 type of recruit will become great no matter who the coach, 1 type will never get better no matter who the coach and the last type depends ONLY on who their coach is. The third type would be the proverbial "diamonds in the rough" where a great coach can take a 2* player and coach him up to be a 4-5* player by the time he graduates. I think this would separate the good from the great coaches- any above average coach can land a 4 or 5 star every now and then, but a great coach can take that 2* and make him "play" like a 5*. This type of coach would be your Frank Beamer or Gary Patterson type coach.

[poopoop]

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One thing people consistently miss is that coach ratings really have 0 to do with a coaching carousel. They just get lumped together for whatever reason. Even in a play-now game there should be a difference between coaches.

I think that was what they were trying to do last year with the 120 ways to win, but a lot of the "ways" didn't function correctly and the coaches ran too close together in terms of philosophy/playbooks. Good example being how every team would run all out blitzes often on D.

coach ratings / better philosophies = having to think about what coach you're playing against. Someone could turn NCAA 11 on swap Urban Meyer with Danny Hope and I'm not sure I'd ever notice. It'd add another layer of strategy to the game. It'd help solving the problem we have now where you can just pick a scheme, never adjust, use it against every team and have success doing so.

[shogun5]

I hope Joe Pa retire my second year of dynasty. And I would chuckle if I see Rich Rod gets fired for under performing. Damn it I wish Charlie Weiss was still at ND, he would be fired for under performing too.

Rich Rod already got fired Brady Hoke is Michigans new head coach.

[shogun5]

That's how I see it as well. IMO having total control over the recruiting was way to easy and cheesy. I really enjoyed the challenge that the new recruiting provided. Especially, in online dynasties. I actually had recruiting classes that weren't in the top 20. Hell, I had a class that wasn't in the top 50. NCAA 11 is the first NCAA I could ever say that. So different strokes for different folks but, count me in the group that loves a challenge.

With that said, I would like to see the system tweaked. Things like having to "change the topic" multiple times in a conversation can get annoying. I'm also hoping that the logic improved, as well.

I agree my recruiting classes didnt start getting good untill my school prestige and everything got better, would be cheesy if u could bring in a top 25 class at middle te. st. that just doesnt happen and if u think it does look at the last 20 years of recruiting classes in real life and tell me what mid major is in there.

[justblaze09]

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Wait, you want coaches to ultimately be able to develop their players 4-5 pts a year. That's 16-20 pts a career, and you end up with rosters we have now (which I think it too overrated).

[shogun5]

I get that and like it has been said over and over again even for that dev team it took awhile. I mean damn even when they try you guys shoot them down. Once again no one has the game , we are going by impressions, without doing it ourselves so your mind is left to wonder. Let's get the game before we pass judgement its a start NCAA has shown improvement two years in a row, while it took madden almost three years to get where they are in their franchise. Do the math

Absolutely and there is still more dynasty details upcoming that no one knows about, this is just the first thing, we could be seeing one of the greatest college football game ever to land in our hands lets not rip them apart for adding new things before we even try it, yes there might be things that dont work out right but i doubt it will be anything that ruins the game, I mean come on look at the leaps and bounds made between 10 and 11 i doubt there going to start back tracking now, the team working on this game is to good and they care which is the most important part.