New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

[Solidice]

Re: New Features Aren’t All Free in NCAA Football 12

That is correct. I did pay for the production of NCAA 12 just like you did.

Why don't I have to pay extra for HDR lighting? For new Unis/Stadiums? For the new collision tackling system?

I'll tell you why, because I already paid for the production of it with NCAA 11 $ and I will be paying to use it in NCAA 12, which $ will then be used for features in NCAA 13, that if I want to use I'll have to pay $60...

I guess I just don't see where all of this extra cost from being able to hit a button to advance the week comes into play. If they want to charge for super sim, which is basically being able to play NCAA from your computer, I'd understand it. I wouldn't necessarily be happy with that nickel and diming but I'd understand it. Adding functionality to be able to remotely advance your dynasty however I see as a complete low blow to the people who obviously play this game and enjoy it the most. It's just a slap in the face to the most hardcore group of your fanbase. I thought it would be reacted to negatively but apparently no one has a problem with it, in fact they like it.

It's not just "pressing a button" though. they had to create the entire sim logic onto the web servers. normally all of the simming is done on the console, with this add-on, it allows all that to be done on the web server.

I don't think anyone likes paying for DLC. everyone would be happy if everything was free, but that is not the way it is here(and with most DLC out there). so it comes down to, is it worth it to me. this is not hindering you from playing online dynasty, you can still play online dynasty like before.

[BlackBetty15]

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I guess I don't see your point. They'll never charge for rosters, because that's simply not feasible, and dynasty is part of the meat and potatoes of the game.

When i first read the title, I thought that new "features" that we were gonna have to buy ON TOP of the $60 price tag was like the coaching carousel and some of the other neat things. Didnt really read the article or other posters. So the argument for micro trans IMO for things like extra stadiums and uniforms and the OD functions can be charged as to I myself would buy the little things.

[coogrfan]

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How is it complete and utter nonsense? If it was complete and utter nonsense you would back it up with logic and reasoning, instead you resorted to namecalling. It's okay though, I'm a grown up and I expected that.

If you would like to tell me how getting Online Dynasty without all of the features available is somehow still a Full featured Online Dynasty, I'm all ears. Until then, thanks for stopping posting.

*sigh*

Fine. If you want to quibble over semantics, I'm game.

The OD offered out of the box is "fully featured" (your phrase, not mine) in the sense that none of the enhancements (there's that word again) being offered are necessary to participate in an online dynasty. The commish can advance the dynasty as necessary via his console. Any participants who wish to can sim their games on their consoles using the same sim-playcalling style of play that will available via the web.

In short, users don't have to spend one penny over the retail price of the game to get the "full online dynasty experience". To claim otherwise is simply false.

[NDAlum]

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That is correct. I did pay for the production of NCAA 12 just like you did.

Why don't I have to pay extra for HDR lighting? For new Unis/Stadiums? For the new collision tackling system?

I'll tell you why, because I already paid for the production of it with NCAA 11 $ and I will be paying to use it in NCAA 12, which $ will then be used for features in NCAA 13, that if I want to use I'll have to pay $60...

I guess I just don't see where all of this extra cost from being able to hit a button to advance the week comes into play. If they want to charge for super sim, which is basically being able to play NCAA from your computer, I'd understand it. I wouldn't necessarily be happy with that nickel and diming but I'd understand it. Adding functionality to be able to remotely advance your dynasty however I see as a complete low blow to the people who obviously play this game and enjoy it the most. It's just a slap in the face to the most hardcore group of your fanbase. I thought it would be reacted to negatively but apparently no one has a problem with it, in fact they like it.

So you understand them charging for one feature but not the other?

[jeremym480]

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That is correct. I did pay for the production of NCAA 12 just like you did.

Why don't I have to pay extra for HDR lighting? For new Unis/Stadiums? For the new collision tackling system?

I'll tell you why, because I already paid for the production of it with NCAA 11 $ and I will be paying to use it in NCAA 12, which $ will then be used for features in NCAA 13, that if I want to use I'll have to pay $60...

I guess I just don't see where all of this extra cost from being able to hit a button to advance the week comes into play. If they want to charge for super sim, which is basically being able to play NCAA from your computer, I'd understand it. I wouldn't necessarily be happy with that nickel and diming but I'd understand it. Adding functionality to be able to remotely advance your dynasty however I see as a complete low blow to the people who obviously play this game and enjoy it the most. It's just a slap in the face to the most hardcore group of your fanbase. I thought it would be reacted to negatively but apparently no one has a problem with it, in fact they like it.

Show me one post here where anyone says that they like it... People say that they understand why there is a charge associated with it and it is of value to them so, they are willing to pay it. However, no one likes it. I'm not sure why you keep stating that over and over again.

[JaySmooov]

To me, DLC is fine, as long as the guys making it don't try to "trick" us into buying it. This is increasingly evident in the apps you see for iPod/iPhone/iPad games, and on the Facebook games like FarmVille. If the only benefit in me buying an "upgraded" tool is that I can finish a job on the farm in 1-2 hours less time, then I'd rather save my money and toil away for the extra time. (That's completely an assumption on how FarmVille works, I've never played so I don't know).

Basically, as gamers, we have to ask ourselves if we really NEED a certain DLC, and will it be satisfying. I think this online package WILL be satisfying, depending on who you are and what you do.

No one wants to be held up by the college student who's in class for 5 hours and studying the rest. In that case, the ability to supersim his games vs. the CPU and advance his part of the week would alleviate that. Or, no one wants to wait on that 14 year old (God forbid any of us end up playing in a dynasty with a bratty kid - we've all been down THAT road before, haha) who can't play his XBOX for a week. Maybe he can sneak on the CPU and advance his week and keep the dynasty moving.

[mattbooty]

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That is correct. I did pay for the production of NCAA 12 just like you did.

disagree. i have no more arguments for this at this point. you don't get it by now you won't. I will no longer be commenting on this part of the argument.

Why don't I have to pay extra for HDR lighting? For new Unis/Stadiums? For the new collision tackling system?

Because these features don't require EA to purchase and maintain a server farm for you to use them?

I guess I just don't see where all of this extra cost from being able to hit a button to advance the week comes into play.

Then you really don't know what you are talking about when it comes to software development, particularly web services, and you are making an uninformed argument. We've tried to explain numerous times but you refuse to listen. Our little debate over how games are funded is one thing, but there is no debate over the fact that the web-enabled features WILL add substantial ongoing costs to EA to support. It isn't debatable. Now you understand right?

Adding functionality to be able to remotely advance your dynasty however I see as a complete low blow to the people who obviously play this game and enjoy it the most. It's just a slap in the face to the most hardcore group of your fanbase. I thought it would be reacted to negatively but apparently no one has a problem with it, in fact they like it.

I love it, I've been wishing for a way to advance from my PC for a while now, its going to be a great feature. I don't see why you think adding this feature is such a slap in the face?

[poopoop]

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I love it, I've been wishing for a way to advance from my PC for a while now, its going to be a great feature. I don't see why you think adding this feature is such a slap in the face?

From the Kotaku article

And what doesn't sit well with me and others is the fact these were community requested features, especially advancing weeks from the web. Few things fire up a community like a developer taking its suggestions seriously and bringing them to a game. To turn around and charge for that sends a pretty bad message.

[bkrich83]

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I laugh because whenever someone doesn't agree with a post they have to respond with little insults sprinkled in. lets be honest nobody is "whining" or "crying" it's just reaction to a company who struggle to satisfy the masses yet still feel the need to draw more blood from the stone! as far as the bmw example people dont complain about bmw because most people love the car and have dreamed about acquiring one. im pretty sure if you were buying a used lesser acclaimed car your complaints would be more pronounced. i'm shocked giving the financial climate and their reputation EA wouldn't choose to give you more for your buck like alot of other companies do. I guess most companies can't erase thier compitition so those measures have to be taken to stay competitive.

I take it you've never owned a BMW before. Really not that great of an experience.

[poopoop]

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Those of us who are arguing the justification of the cost are not "HAPPY" paying it.... we are HAPPY that the feature was added, we understand the justification behind the added cost, and feel that it is worth the relatively low price-tag associated with it.

Would we all like everything to be free? Of course, but just because I want something to be free doesn't mean I don't understand why I have to pay for it and am satisfied that its a fair price.

Well seeing as EA will measure the success/failure of this based on how many people buy it...Arguing why it's justified and saying that it's worth purchasing might as well be saying you're happy about it. At the very least supporting it.

So do other gaming companies.

I said in the Madden thread, our son pleaded for us to buy a map pack for COD. We bought it for him and he told me it was a piece of crap. He's never asked again. That was $15.00, this is $3.00.

The COD people are just as bad (if not worse) than EA when it comes to this. If I played those games and this was a COD thread I'd have beef with them too.

[bkrich83]

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The only thing I have a problem with is this mentality that EA is evil and trying to suck the life out of everyone. It is a good talk aside from the fact that more than half the people come up with unbased claims and are just making things up. For every valid post there are two following just making things up.

Exactly!! The best part is we all know who these people are, yet they continue to post like they know what they are talking about.

[bkrich83]

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*sigh*

Fine. If you want to quibble over semantics, I'm game.

The OD offered out of the box is "fully featured" (your phrase, not mine) in the sense that none of the enhancements (there's that word again) being offered are necessary to participate in an online dynasty. The commish can advance the dynasty as necessary via his console. Any participants who wish to can sim their games on their consoles using the same sim-playcalling style of play that will available via the web.

In short, users don't have to spend one penny over the retail price of the game to get the "full online dynasty experience". To claim otherwise is simply false.

I didn't think this was the difficult to understand. It's amazing what people will say to complain, simply for the sake of complaining.

[NDAlum]

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BK, you and your sense of reason have no place in this thread sir.

Good day!

[bkrich83]

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BK, you and your sense of reason have no place in this thread sir.

Good day!

I know what was I thinking??

Strategy over SKILLZ 4 LIFE!!

[roadman]

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Well seeing as EA will measure the success/failure of this based on how many people buy it...Arguing why it's justified and saying that it's worth purchasing might as well be saying you're happy about it. At the very least supporting it.

So, why does it concern you that people support it while they don't buy it.

Who cares? To each their own, right?

I'm fine with people who are against the whole thing and expressing their opinion, but to disagree with people who support the extra feature and have the option of buying it or not shouldn't bother others, either.