Good point Shnu, look we bang this debate out every year with the same old. I don't like the way Madden models look and the way they transition, but I stop in every year hoping this is the year. There is lots to like this year, presentation and franchise being on top of my list but once all of that is played out your left with what is on the field - gameplay, which is the subject of this thread. From what I see I do not see any changes that make it evident there has been significant movement on this issue. If I am wrong tell me, I'd gladly eat crow to play football.