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  • Rocky
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 6896

    #1

    Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

    Who do you think will go down as the better SF when Pierce's career ends?

    Pippen's Accolades: 6x NBA Champion, 7x NBA All-Star, 3x First Team All-NBA, 2x Second Team All-NBA, 2x Third Team All-NBA, 8x All Defense First Team

    Pierce's Accolades: NBA Champion, NBA Finals MVP, 9x NBA All-Star, 1x All-NBA Second Team, 3x All-NBA Third Team

    It should also be noted that Pierce played alot of SG during his career.
    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
    -Rocky Balboa
  • Moses Shuttlesworth
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    • Aug 2006
    • 9435

    #2
    Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

    As far as championships are concerned, lots of people view that as a benchmark for a player's career. Having that in mind, Pippen would be the easy choice.

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    • WTF
      MVP
      • Aug 2002
      • 20274

      #3
      Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

      I think it will be a unanimous Pippen vote, or should be anyway. Look at their awards and that tells the story. Mainly the All Defensive Team, and NBA First, Second, and Third Team accolades. Those are individual awards and accolades. You can be on a good team and win championships, but those awards mentioned above take talent, skill, and drive.

      Pippen in a landslide.
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      • Rocky
        All Star
        • Jul 2002
        • 6896

        #4
        Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

        Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
        As far as championships are concerned, lots of people view that as a benchmark for a player's career. Having that in mind, Pippen would be the easy choice.
        Yeah, this thread was designed to get some posters thinking though.

        I think it's closer than people think....Pierce's shooting percentages are better despite being the number 1 (and only) option for alot of his career. Pippen is statistically the better rebounder, passer, and defensive player.

        And although you can't change history or really play "what ifs?" here, you have to take into the Jordan factor. Pierce has had his share of postseason success and you can make a case that he has been the best player on every single one of his teams.
        Last edited by Rocky; 06-07-2011, 05:35 PM.
        "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
        -Rocky Balboa

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        • WTF
          MVP
          • Aug 2002
          • 20274

          #5
          Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

          Originally posted by Moses Shuttlesworth
          As far as championships are concerned, lots of people view that as a benchmark for a player's career. Having that in mind, Pippen would be the easy choice.
          I looked at it the exact opposite. Look at Dampier, he'll possibly have a Title this year with the Heat...

          Titles shouldn't even be mentioned as a benchmark for a players individual careers. Just my thoughts anyway.
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          • Jukeman
            Showtime
            • Aug 2005
            • 10955

            #6
            Player's shooting % were down globally during the 90's (Pippen's Era)

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            • Kashanova
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2003
              • 12695

              #7
              Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

              Pippen just on defensive and versatility alone

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              • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                • Dec 2006
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                #8
                Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                I'm not even that high on Pippen but I think I'd still go with him. Which isn't to take anything away from Pierce because he's got to be one of the more underrated players of this era. And despite never being the most athletic guy, he's always found crafty ways to lead his teams.
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                • NINJAK2
                  *S *dd*ct
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 6185

                  #9
                  Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                  Originally posted by Jukeman
                  Player's shooting % were down globally during the 90's (Pippen's Era)
                  Defense was allowed to be much more physical back then and over the course of that decade. The NBA slowly striped the defense of tools to fight those talented offensive players through that time leading to what we have now. That's detailed very well in this article..
                  EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                  • Rocky
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 6896

                    #10
                    Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                    Originally posted by NINJAK2
                    Defense was allowed to be much more physical back then and over the course of that decade. The NBA slowly striped the defense of tools to fight those talented offensive players through that time leading to what we have now. That's detailed very well in this article..
                    http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ses/index.html
                    Very good article. But it does bring an interesting argument. Pierce was able to dramtically slow down Lebron and Kobe without using a handchecks or forearms. If PP benefitted offensively from the rule changes, logic would say that it made it tougher for him on defense (and he was still a good defensive player especially late in his career).
                    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
                    -Rocky Balboa

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                    • NINJAK2
                      *S *dd*ct
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 6185

                      #11
                      Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                      Originally posted by Rocky
                      Very good article. But it does bring an interesting argument. Pierce was able to dramtically slow down Lebron and Kobe without using a handchecks or forearms. If PP benefitted offensively from the rule changes, logic would say that it made it tougher for him on defense (and he was still a good defensive player especially late in his career).
                      Great point Rocky! With the whining of players today though looking for a foul at every missed shot, I just don't see how alot of them could have been as successful offensively back then due to the rules of the previous era and all the freedom they are used to now..
                      Last edited by NINJAK2; 06-07-2011, 06:32 PM.
                      EA and 2k have the unfortunate task of trying to balance on a tightrope of fun and sim while trying not to fall 10,000 feet to their death. Instead of a safety net waiting down below there will just be angry customers quick to move out of the way and talk of their failure.

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                      • Beantown
                        #DoYourJob
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 31523

                        #12
                        Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                        Even though Pierce is my favorite player of all-time, I'd still pick Pippen based on his body of work.

                        I do think, as someone above me said, Pierce is one of the more underrated players of this era, partially because he has never really had the same athletic ability that the stars had, nor did he ever had the highlight reels that the best players have.

                        But yeah...Pippen.

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                        • King_B_Mack
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                          • Jan 2009
                          • 24451

                          #13
                          Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                          Originally posted by Beantown
                          Even though Pierce is my favorite player of all-time, I'd still pick Pippen based on his body of work.

                          I do think, as someone above me said, Pierce is one of the more underrated players of this era, partially because he has never really had the same athletic ability that the stars had, nor did he ever had the highlight reels that the best players have.

                          But yeah...Pippen.
                          Doesn't hurt that the Celtics were fairly irrelevant during his time there also. Not that he should have been ignored or anything, just that, that's also a factor.

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                          • ehh
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 28962

                            #14
                            Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                            Originally posted by Jukeman
                            Player's shooting % were down globally during the 90's (Pippen's Era)
                            Originally posted by NINJAK2
                            Defense was allowed to be much more physical back then and over the course of that decade. The NBA slowly striped the defense of tools to fight those talented offensive players through that time leading to what we have now. That's detailed very well in this article..
                            http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...ses/index.html
                            It's a two-way street, so when Pippen was viewed as the perimeter ace of the era he was allowed to be way more physical, hand-check, etc. Pippen's FG% may have suffered in the era but he benefited on the other end of the floor.


                            Anyway...I wouldn't call it a landslide by any means.

                            Pierce is one of my favorite players of this era despite the fact that he's a Celtic. Love his old school game and ability to be a great player without superb athleticism. His defense is underrated and he's always been clutch.

                            Pierce is easily a better scorer and as someone else said he did an amazing job on Kobe and LeBron in the postseason - the two best perimeter players of the last decade without the rule benefits that Pippen enjoyed defensively. Pierce had no where near as many defensive highlights as Pippen but he played tremendously sound defense against two legends of the game when it mattered most. Pippen was obviously way more versatile on the defense end of the floor, 10x the help defender and clearly one of the best perimeter defenders ever - but Pierce is/was no slouch.

                            And career stats (despite the OS hatred of them)...

                            Pippen: 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 5 apg, 2 spg
                            Pierce: 22 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg, 1.5 spg

                            It also doesn't help that Scottie's post-Chicago career was largely forgettable. Sure, he was 33 when he left but I think just about everyone considered his time in HOU/POR a disappointment. And as someone else said, he spent one season as the go-to guy on his team. I know I'm in the minority in this but I have always felt that he benefited from playing alongside MJ way more than most people believe. Pippen was put on this earth play with the GOAT and in the Triangle offense. He was perfect for it.

                            Awards and All-Star games mean little to me in most cases. Pippen spent most of his career on championship teams while Pierce did not. Guys on winning teams always get the advantage when it comes to those sort of things.

                            All in all defense is so important to winning titles that it's hard to turn down the best (or second best since some count MJ as #1) perimeter defender of all time that could do a little bit of everything. I'll take Pippen by hair.
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                            • Muzyk23
                              MVP
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 4192

                              #15
                              Re: Scottie Pippen or Paul Pierce?

                              Some ppl are just too young to ackowledge Pippen's greatness.

                              He could do anything on the court. One of the best defenders the league has seen.

                              No contest.

                              Pierce def a better shooter.
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