NCAA Football 12 Team Ratings and Prestige Revealed (Tradition Sports Online)

[He1nousOne1]

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USC and Ohio State with 6? Not up to date then. Why can't we edit this stuff?

Until Ohio State gets hits with any sanctions like USC did I do not see why they should be taken down as a program from 6. The coach messed up and some players did but as a program it will easily rebuild from such. It will still most likely be the team in the first ever Big Ten championship game. It still gets the cream of the crop of athletes in the north. Until we have proof On The Field that they are not a Six Star team then I do not see why they should drop. What happened was just a minor bump for OSU.

USC on the other hand had top talent Leave the school because of their sanctions and that killed their chances at recruiting top talent or getting a top coach so yes that drop in prestige is warranted.

[jhawk886]

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Imo 2*'s is a fairly accurate refelection of the state of KU football, in fact one could argue that KU should never have been granted 3* status in the first place (the Jayhawks have been playing fb since 1890; in all that time they have posted back to back bowl seasons just once).

As for your "one bad season" argument, 2010 wasn't just a bad season-it was catastrophic:


3-9 (1-7 in conf)

Lost 3-6 to FBS school North Dakota State at home;

1-7 in conference play last season (all seven losses by double digits, 5 of them by 28+).

If the entire spectrum of teams' prestige was based on the history of the individual programs, then yes, I would agree with you. But, as has already been established, other than the likes of Notre Dame & Texas, EA bases their prestige levels on recent performance. And within the past 6 years KU has 3 bowl victories with 1 of them being a BCS victory.

While turmoil in the program has hurt the program the past two seasons, it has not destroyed it (As evidenced by Gill bringing in the highest rated recruiting class in school history).

While last season was an **** failure, they should not have dropped to 2 stars. Another season like the last and yes, they maybe should.

One horrible season and losing to an FCS team should not have caused KU to fall. Did Texas or Florida who had comparable catastrophic seasons with MUCH
higher expectations drop? Did Virginia Tech who lost to an FCS team drop? No.

Their prestige system should be needs to be completely reworked. If they're going to make it more fluid and based on recent performance, then they need to do that for all schools (including Texas, Florida, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.) and follow those guidelines from season to season based on real life (AKA if their prestige system would've dropped Texas a star on the game due to a season like the Longhorns had last year, then they need to do it).

Otherwise, they need to make the system much more static and based more on historical performance with it taking a long time to increase program prestige.

[He1nousOne1]

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A team like Texas or Florida has a bad year and they still remain the top team in their respected states when it comes to recruiting capability and the states of Texas and Florida are prime territory for top recruits so a bad year for them is easy to bounce back from.

A team like Kansas if it wants to rise in the ranks has to rely on recruiting heavily outside of its state thus bad performances have a much bigger affect on their ability to bounce back through recruiting so yes a school like Kansas will effectively drop in prestige quicker then a school like Texas or Florida. Its just the nature of the beast we call College Football.

[dickey1331]

If the entire spectrum of teams' prestige was based on the history of the individual programs, then yes, I would agree with you. But, as has already been established, other than the likes of Notre Dame & Texas, EA bases their prestige levels on recent performance. And within the past 6 years KU has 3 bowl victories with 1 of them being a BCS victory.

While turmoil in the program has hurt the program the past two seasons, it has not destroyed it (As evidenced by Gill bringing in the highest rated recruiting class in school history).

While last season was an **** failure, they should not have dropped to 2 stars. Another season like the last and yes, they maybe should.

One horrible season and losing to an FCS team should not have caused KU to fall. Did Texas or Florida who had comparable catastrophic seasons with MUCH
higher expectations drop? Did Virginia Tech who lost to an FCS team drop? No.

Their prestige system should be needs to be completely reworked. If they're going to make it more fluid and based on recent performance, then they need to do that for all schools (including Texas, Florida, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc.) and follow those guidelines from season to season based on real life (AKA if their prestige system would've dropped Texas a star on the game due to a season like the Longhorns had last year, then they need to do it).

Otherwise, they need to make the system much more static and based more on historical performance with it taking a long time to increase program prestige.

With Texas, Virginia Tech and ND they will rebound so 1 bad season won't hurt them but with Kansas you don't know. They are historical a bad program so I understand why they are a 2 star. Prestige shouldn't be a system thats the same for every program. It should take Texas much longer to drop than Kansas.


Do you really care where I sent this from?

[schumj]

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I can see both sides when it comes to Kansas. If we are assuming they basically throw out most of history and only look at recent success with the exception of those listed, Kansas isn't much different then a team like say Stanford.

In the BCS era Stanford has only played in 2 BCS bowl, Kansas 1. Stanford has had 1 finish in the top 10, Kansas also has 1. They have both only had one 10 win season, and if you look at every weeks poll since 98 KU was ranked # 2 one week Stanford's highest ranking was #4.

I guess you can look at it two ways, Stanford overrated or KU underrated.

IMO if I were to say Kansas and Stanford who is more prestigious, I would probably say Stanford. But in recent success? Since 98 Stanford has won 70 games, Kansas has won 69?

[Gloves 82]

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I can see both sides when it comes to Kansas. If we are assuming they basically throw out most of history and only look at recent success with the exception of those listed, Kansas isn't much different then a team like say Stanford.

In the BCS era Stanford has only played in 2 BCS bowl, Kansas 1. Stanford has had 1 finish in the top 10, Kansas also has 1. They have both only had one 10 win season, and if you look at every weeks poll since 98 KU was ranked # 2 one week Stanford's highest ranking was #4.

I guess you can look at it two ways, Stanford overrated or KU underrated.

IMO if I were to say Kansas and Stanford who is more prestigious, I would probably say Stanford. But in recent success? Since 98 Stanford has one 70 games, Kansas has won 69?

The problem with KU is that in the last 4 years, their record has gotten worse. 12-1, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9

Stanford has improved their record each year. 4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 12-1

[schumj]

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The problem with KU is that in the last 4 years, their record has gotten worse. 12-1, 8-5, 5-7, 3-9

Stanford has improved their record each year. 4-8, 5-7, 8-5, 12-1

Good point! I didn't even notice the trend like that. But if you were to say there are two teams (with no names attached) and just say both are a 3* school and give those records would you say one should be a 2* now and the other a 4? Maybe, but I would say KU should be at least a 3 star and could live with Stanford and 4.

Not many teams have even played in a BCS Bowl let alone won one. And they got an at large bid, they didn't just win an average conference like UCONN.

[BadAssHskr]

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wish nebraskas offense was a hair lower, and the D was better.

[TMJOHNS18]

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wish nebraskas offense was a hair lower, and the D was better.

Hopefully when they come out with named rosters we can get some corrections (number, ratings, etc.) with them. I'm surprised at Michigan D ratings, if NCAA 12 is as real as it gets then it seems recruiting mainly on the offensive side really doesn't hurt you

[Eski33]

I think Ohio St and USC should lose prestige because of their integrity issues. Outside of that the ratings seem decent. ND and UM are no longer top programs (huge ND fan) although both will return within three years.

[dan_457]

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I think Ohio St and USC should lose prestige because of their integrity issues. Outside of that the ratings seem decent. ND and UM are no longer top programs (huge ND fan) although both will return within three years.

Integrity issues? Do you really think that OSU and USC are the only programs where this happens? The only thing I'll give you is Tressel, but if idiotic players who accept free things are integrity issues, then every school has integrity issues.

[The JareBear]

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Integrity issues? Do you really think that OSU and USC are the only programs where this happens? The only thing I'll give you is Tressel, but if idiotic players who accept free things are integrity issues, then every school has integrity issues.

Very true. This stuff happens almost everywhere.

[kingkilla56]

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Very true. This stuff happens almost everywhere.

It doesnt get caught everywhere thus isnt confirmed to happen everywhere. Maybe we should drop every school in the game by 3 stars by this assumption.

[dan_457]

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It doesnt get caught everywhere thus isnt confirmed to happen everywhere. Maybe we should drop every school in the game by 3 stars by this assumption.

Of course it doesn't get caught everywhere, but the fact is that a lot these's player's accept free stuff(which is almost impossible to monitor, unless it's a house or a car), and that's not a schools Integrity issue(course if the AD is giving kids checks, then yeah it is).

[He1nousOne1]

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Integrity issues? Do you really think that OSU and USC are the only programs where this happens? The only thing I'll give you is Tressel, but if idiotic players who accept free things are integrity issues, then every school has integrity issues.

Absolutely. This is one of those issues in which a Prestige drop cannot be even considered until we see a drop off in execution by the Buckeyes on the field. If they get slammed by the NCAA like USC did then yes that will inevitably cause a drop off in performance and season records. Prestige is all about Performance in the end and we havnt even had a season played to see if there is any drop off. Its just a silly judgement to say they should already be dropped a star simply for getting caught doing what everyone else is doing too. Is what they did bad? According to the rules (I don't think so). Has it caused a drop off in performance and recruiting? We don't know yet.