Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

**Broncos86** · 06-20-2011, 04:55 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by Pared

I can name a number of games that have improved because of it, INCLUDING Madden as of late. Developers willing to interact with their fan base is at a premium in this "leisure activity" and we were on a path were it wasn't. It's just a step back, that's all.

Big time. I think gamers here should realize that the type of gamers here are in the minority (IMO). The hardcore sim gamer, etc is not the majority. Most gamers who buy Madden never really follow the game or the changes. They read about it in a magazine, or if IGN does a cover on it. But that's it. Then they buy it and see what's new. For years, this was me. I didn't really get into forums for Madden until Madden 07 or so, on a forum that eventually shut down and led me here (I think the forum mod was named Fred Smooth?). Anyways, the point is that if EA wanted to completely ignore this forum completely, I seriously doubt it'd even dent the sales.

Ian, Phil, and Co. didn't have to come here and debate the camera angle of field goals, or talk about the running animations of players. But they did so anyways. I really think gamers here need to understand this. The Madden team openly embraced communities like this, and part of that community returned volley by spitting in their faces.

**BrianFifaFan** · 06-20-2011, 05:05 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by Pared

So it's the latter. I figured as much.

Anyway, Brian, your comments seem (it only seems that way. ) like you used this thread as avenue to discuss things that don't directly involve Phil's departure. Your exposure as a community advocate for EA and receiving a free game has nothing really do with you being a previous mod or any other tangent you decided to touch upon. Please keep the focus of the topic.

OS is, was and will still be an "awesome" place to come visit b/c of the community. I just hope the lack of dev. interaction doesn't hold back Madden any longer. I can name a number of games that have improved because of it, INCLUDING Madden as of late. Developers willing to interact with their fan base is at a premium in this "leisure activity" and we were on a path were it wasn't. It's just a step back, that's all.

Agreed. And I wasn't trying to derail the thread or "toot my horn." Sorry for the tangents. I was just expressing how, over the course of time, I have come to feel that maybe after the way this all played out, it wasn't such a great idea to have direct community interaction. So I guess we disagree, and that's fine with me. If you feel I derailed the thread, I'm sorry. I have no agenda. Just a point of view based on experience. In the most direct, and least derailing manner possible, I think that direct interaction is a "bad idear....."

(gotta do the Midwestern country drawl to get the full effect. Think vintage Hee Haw...)

BTW, I did my speculating about Phil and Ian and the whole EA Canada takeover earlier in the thread. I now defer to you, whom I actually love chatting with. I'm done. Signed, the eternally long-winded one.... Brian

**GiantBlue76** · 06-20-2011, 05:12 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by Pared

So it's the latter. I figured as much.

Anyway, Brian, your comments seem like you used this thread as avenue to discuss things that don't directly involve Phil's departure. Your exposure as a community advocate for EA and receiving a free game has nothing really do with you being a previous mod or any other tangent you decided to touch upon. Please keep the focus of the topic.

OS is, was and will still be an "awesome" place to come visit b/c of the community. I just hope the lack of dev. interaction doesn't hold back Madden any longer. I can name a number of games that have improved because of it, INCLUDING Madden as of late. Developers willing to interact with their fan base is at a premium in this "leisure activity" and we were on a path were it wasn't. It's just a step back, that's all.

You guys are assuming that just because these guys are gone, there will be no "interaction". You are also assuming that developers are not simply reading the boards and just not responding. I think community interaction is always good, but I think you guys put too much stock into it. I have never seen anyone ask for some things that get implemented. The bottom line is that you can take customer feedback and do all you want with it. I like the fact that they listen (if they really do), but I also would hope that they have a clue as to what needs to be done. Other companies make amazing sports games with little or no customer interaction.

**LiquorLogic** · 06-20-2011, 05:31 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by Pared

So it's the latter. I figured as much.

What does that even mean ?

**LiquorLogic** · 06-20-2011, 06:06 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by BrianFifaFan

Agreed. And I wasn't trying to derail the thread or "toot my horn." Sorry for the tangents. I was just expressing how, over the course of time, I have come to feel that maybe after the way this all played out, it wasn't such a great idea to have direct community interaction.

Community interaction with the devs isn't a bad thing. The problem starts when expectations aren't met. Some of this is the fault of the user who has expectations that are too high, and some of the are the fault of the devs for getting people's hopes up. There have been lot's of things that were promised by the devs that either didn't pan out they those things were touted, or this things that were promised were missing all together.

The problem was never the interaction with the devs. The expectations that the interaction created were not met, and without getting into specifics, essentially, people expected change to come from the interaction. The expectation was that those others games wouldn't be worth mentioning anymore. Clearly, since game comparisons quickly ruins threads and thus warrants an infraction, the interaction didn't really change anything. After all the blogs, videos, live chats, podcasts and what not, nothing changed.

Maybe Ian, Phil, and the rest of the team (unknowingly or not) bit off more than they could chew. That was a bad idea, but I would still welcome developer interaction. The developers just need to know that everyone on this forum isn't an adult, so to expect everyone to express themselves in a mature manner isn't practical at all. LOL, what do people this is is, a forum full of people investing in real estate ?

Originally posted by Scottdau

And this is what is nice about not having to buy the game. I will just say this. Someone must like the game because other than last year the game sells pretty well. This year I have a feeling this game will sell really well.

Since when do sales suggest that a game is a good game? With your logic Justin Bieber is a great musician; Avatar is the greatest movie of all time, and Twilight is a good series of books.

Also, what makes you so sure that everyone who is upset Madden actually bought the game. Many people on here chose not buy the game because it wasn't up to their standards. That doesn't mean they forfeit their right to voice their opinions.

**Pared** · 06-20-2011, 06:20 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by tazdevil20

I have never seen anyone ask for some things that get implemented.... Other companies make amazing sports games with little or no customer interaction.

In 2011, this is certainly not the case. Just because YOU personally do not see it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Hell, it wasn't the case in 2010, 2009, 2008, etc. I think my point is painfully obvious.

It's actually the norm. Many here on the boards would be able to give you specific examples but those that can't obviously outnumber them. You should spend some more time in other forums and you'd see it first hand, let alone what happens that you will never know about.

**Scottdau** · 06-20-2011, 06:31 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

I help the show get better. I got the water cam in for AT&T. Lol So I was hoping we would be able to do the same with EA.

**LiquorLogic** · 06-20-2011, 06:50 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by Broncos86

Ian, Phil, and Co. didn't have to come here and debate the camera angle of field goals, or talk about the running animations of players. But they did so anyways. I really think gamers here need to understand this. The Madden team openly embraced communities like this, and part of that community returned volley by spitting in their faces.

Maybe those people "returned the volley" by spitting in the devs faces (so to speak) because that's what they felt was done to them, and they were just returning the volley. I really don't see how the developers could have expected anything else. Madden 10, after years of frustrating titles, didn't live up to expectations, and then Madden 11 also was a lackluster effort. That's going to upset people and the devs had to have known that. They also needed to be prepared for insults because everyone on video game forum isn't going to be an adult, so you can't expect everyone to act like an adult. The mods will take care of those posters.

**bkrich83** · 06-20-2011, 06:57 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by LiquorLogic

Maybe those people "returned the volley" by spitting in the devs faces (so to speak) because that's what they felt was done to them, and they were just returning the volley. I really don't see how the developers could have expected anything else. Madden 10, after years of frustrating titles, didn't live up to expectations, and then Madden 11 also was a lackluster effort. That's going to upset people and the devs had to have known that. They also needed to be prepared for insults because everyone on video game forum isn't going to be an adult, so you can't expect everyone to act like an adult. The mods will take care of those posters.

So you're justifying and advocating the venom and vitriol aimed at the devs by people? People are justified in personal attacks on devs because they don't like the game?

**Eddie1967** · 06-20-2011, 06:59 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by BlueNGold

There's better ways to get that point across though....

I agree but I also think that the developers should have thick skin when it comes to criticism especially the mindless kind. I would assume that it's the MODs job to keep these threads civil but the developers shouldn't flee when things get out of hand.

**mike24forever** · 06-20-2011, 07:00 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by bkrich83

So you're justifying and advocating the venom and vitriol aimed at the devs by people? People are justified in personal attacks on devs because they don't like the game?

Don't even waste your time.

**BrianFifaFan** · 06-20-2011, 07:01 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by Scottdau

I help the show get better. I got the water cam in for AT&T. Lol So I was hoping we would be able to do the same with EA.

I would grant that game had/has great community interaction and it worked/s. BTW, I only had 09. Did you get anything on that? I only had my PS3 for like 2 weeks. Can't remember! LOL!

**Broncos86** · 06-20-2011, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by LiquorLogic

Maybe those people "returned the volley" by spitting in the devs faces (so to speak) because that's what they felt was done to them, and they were just returning the volley. I really don't see how the developers could have expected anything else. Madden 10, after years of frustrating titles, didn't live up to expectations, and then Madden 11 also was a lackluster effort. That's going to upset people and the devs had to have known that. They also needed to be prepared for insults because everyone on video game forum isn't going to be an adult, so you can't expect everyone to act like an adult. The mods will take care of those posters.

This is little more than conjecture in an attempt to justify one's bitterness to the debate over Madden. There is no excuse or reason to react in a verbally violent and venomous manner.

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**Only1LT** · 06-20-2011, 07:04 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by LiquorLogic

Maybe those people "returned the volley" by spitting in the devs faces (so to speak) because that's what they felt was done to them, and they were just returning the volley. I really don't see how the developers could have expected anything else. Madden 10, after years of frustrating titles, didn't live up to expectations, and then Madden 11 also was a lackluster effort. That's going to upset people and the devs had to have known that. They also needed to be prepared for insults because everyone on video game forum isn't going to be an adult, so you can't expect everyone to act like an adult. The mods will take care of those posters.

I can't go with you on this one. There is no excuse for imbecilic behavior. No matter what you think of the game, people need to be respectful.

I'm not saying that everyone will be. There are obviously idiots in the world, and to pretend they don't exist is just foolish, but it is one thing to accept that some people will be rude, and another thing entirely to say that it's justified. If that's what you are actually saying.

Like I said before, the devs need to treat those comments with the attention that they deserve, which is absolutely none. They are just dudes on the internet and they should not be bothered by the idiotic comments, but that doesn't mean that theose idiotic comments are justifiable in any way.

**bkrich83** · 06-20-2011, 07:07 PM

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

Originally posted by ms24forever

Don't even waste your time.

I know. Amazing isn't it?

Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

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