Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

[Scottdau]

Re: Phil Frazier is Leaving EA Sports Tiburon

I think they added it in 10. The community day they have is all work. I call it free labor for SCEA. They make those guys work. It is crazy all they do for that game. Knight and the gang are very busy! EA would be smart to do something like that. Having Phil and Ian leave is lame though. They had some good vision for that game. I trust they will keep going and not miss a beat.

[bkrich83]

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I agree but I also think that the developers must have thick skin when it comes to criticism especially the mindless kind. I would assume that it's the MODs job to keep these threads civil but the developers shouldn't flee when things get out of hand.

It was beyond out of hand. It got downright personal.

[BrianFifaFan]

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Community interaction with the devs isn't a bad thing. The problem starts when expectations aren't met. Some of this is the fault of the user who has expectations that are too high, and some of the are the fault of the devs for getting people's hopes up. There have been lot's of things that were promised by the devs that either didn't pan out they those things were touted, or this things that were promised were missing all together.

The problem was never the interaction with the devs. The expectations that the interaction created were not met, and without getting into specifics, essentially, people expected change to come from the interaction. The expectation was that those others games wouldn't be worth mentioning anymore. Clearly, since game comparisons quickly ruins threads and thus warrants an infraction, the interaction didn't really change anything. After all the blogs, videos, live chats, podcasts and what not, nothing changed.

Maybe Ian, Phil, and the rest of the team (unknowingly or not) bit off more than they could chew. That was a bad idea, but I would still welcome developer interaction. The developers just need to know that everyone on this forum isn't an adult, so to expect everyone to express themselves in a mature manner isn't practical at all. LOL, what do people this is is, a forum full of people investing in real estate ?



Since when do sales suggest that a game is a good game? With your logic Justin Bieber is a great musician; Avatar is the greatest movie of all time, and Twilight is a good series of books.

Also, what makes you so sure that everyone who is upset Madden actually bought the game. Many people on here chose not buy the game because it wasn't up to their standards. That doesn't mean they forfeit their right to voice their opinions.

You bolded out my Direct! I'm all for it, in the proper scenario and with professional distance applied. I like the intern idea. Then a drop in by the actual responsible developer for the specific wishlist and saying "we've got it." That's the least problematic way, IMO. Then a follow-up vid saying "this is what we did" would be cool, too. Then we are heard, there are less modding problems and the temptation to get too big for your britches and getting the "BanHammer" is negated. That's all I'm sayin'.... Personal space..... Stay back! LOL!

[mike24forever]

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I know. Amazing isn't it?

Blows my mind!

[Scottdau]

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I was raised to respect people. So I never slam on people or devs for that matter. But just like anything I am sure they are used to it. It seem like it comes with the job.

[K_GUN]

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twitter is the next phase of interaction....i spend time reading their tweets & tweet responses to get my info much more than hoping to see anything OS might have

and twitter allows you to block the clowns...very nice way to interact with the consumer base

[BrianFifaFan]

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It was beyond out of hand. It got downright personal.

Totally agreed!

[PVarck31]

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It was beyond out of hand. It got downright personal.

People were literally threatening physical harm to the devs in some cases. It was sad.

[LiquorLogic]

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So you're justifying and advocating the venom and vitriol aimed at the devs by people? People are justified in personal attacks on devs because they don't like the game?

You might want to re-read my post. No where did I justify anything.

everyone on video game forum isn't going to be an adult, so you can't expect everyone to act like an adult. The mods will take care of those posters.

Again, the devs, since this is a video game forum, aren't purely interacting with adults. There will be children on here, so if the developers want to interact with people on this forum, they have to expect that there will be some childishness.

[canes21]

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I was raised to respect people. So I never slam on people or devs for that matter. But just like anything I am sure they are used to it. It seem like it comes with the job.

Whether they are used to it or not, or it comes with the job does not make it appropriate though. I don't recall ever slamming Ian or Phil, or anyone else that came here because I respected them and understood that if they could do exactly what they wanted to, then the game would more than likely be a lot better. These guys are just like us and want their game to be better every year. Some times it is easy to make some changes we request, other times it is hard and near impossible, or just plain impossible.

I don't really know where I am going with this , so I'll just say this... I never have nor will I understand what these people think personally attacking the devs will accomplish.

[bucky60]

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Personal attacks should not happen.

Part of the problem is, one persons valid criticism is anther persons attack, and then a war starts between posters. It happens frequently.

[bkrich83]

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You might want to re-read my post. No where did I justify anything.



Again, the devs, since this is a video game forum, aren't purely interacting with adults. There will be children on here, so if the developers want to interact with people on this forum, they have to expect that there will be some childishness.

Good backtrack. Hardly the only one who noticed what I did. At least you're consistent.

[BrianFifaFan]

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twitter is the next phase of interaction....i spend time reading their tweets & tweet responses to get my info much more than hoping to see anything OS might have

and twitter allows you to block the clowns...very nice way to interact with the consumer base

Yeah, I watch Beluba's tweets. Waiting for some juicy NBA2k info. So far Dirk getting some love is about the biggest I've seen. That's what I'm talking about some built-in space.....

[bkrich83]

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Personal attacks should not happen.

Part of the problem is, one persons valid criticism is anther persons attack, and then a war starts between posters. It happens frequently.

It wasnt close to valid criticism. It was pure venom. It was personal. It had little to do with the actual game.

[Scottdau]

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Some people are just spoiled little babies. At least at OS we don't have too much of those. But a lot of the members remember football games on the atari 2600. So we are happy with Madden.