Now this here is exactly the attitude people face. If you criticize the game for being sub par you are a 2K fan boy. Madden didn't stand a chance. Never mind that we are what, 7 years into a new gen, and the game still hasn't reached where it was with the prev gen. I'm smart enough to see it, and guess what, I never owned NFL2k. They never made it for the PC, so I always got madden instead. Then EA took Madden away from PC'ers. Red Dead Redemption not being on the PC finally forced me to go out and get a console, and Madden STILL hadn't gotten back to where it was WELL over half a decade ago. That's just the truth. Has nothing to do with whether madden was given a chance or not. EA/TIB didn't deliver.