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    Go Irish
    • Jul 2002
    • 3813

    #166
    Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

    Originally posted by ms24forever
    Wait! You said you were not getting this game. I wish I could remember what thread it was in, so why are you here trolling about a game you are not buying?
    Correct, held out to see the final build. Still not saying that I am not getting the game as pointed out the demo isn't usually a final build but it has to be pre beta and not 2 months old.

    If the gameplay issues don't get addressed then I standby my comment of passing and holding onto NCAA 11 for another year. Is that a problem, too much to ask for $60?

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    • The JareBear
      Be Good To One Another
      • Jul 2010
      • 11560

      #167
      Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

      well, I remember posting a couple times a week ago that as soon as the demo comes out, watch out on these forums.

      I have two things to say, one on each side of the coin.

      A.) This is nowhere near a recent build of the game, it was submitted more than 6 weeks ago if I remember correctly.

      B.) That being said, the gameplay shown in this video is very concerning. Yes, the CPU shotgun running is absolutely atrocious. Ball Carrier logic seemed flawed as well. There were a number of issues from NCAA 11 apparent in this demo footage and you can't blame people for noticing that.

      I just hope that EA has spent the time to fix these things in the 2 months or so they had had before the game goes gold.
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      • acts238shaun
        MVP
        • Dec 2005
        • 2714

        #168
        Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

        Suction, bad zone defense, bad FG choices by CPU and the CPU ball carrier covering up all the way down the field were my biggest issues with NCAA 11. It looks like all those were fixed, so I am happy with that. Just don't like the fact EA ducks questions like Floyd Mayweather ducks a court hearing.

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        • Rules
          Go Irish
          • Jul 2002
          • 3813

          #169
          Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

          Originally posted by Craigsca
          I agree - once the money has been budgeted for the individual teams (art vs. gameplay). But, I would assume budgets are created before the individual teams are - and couldn't that money have been allocated for additional gameplay engineering?

          Really, it's embarrassing to think that all the $$$ spent on having additional "pageantry" consisting of cut scenes before a game (that the majority of us will click through after seeing it once or twice) could have been devoted to a CPU running game or making a play action pass effective.

          Really, it's incumbent upon the user community to be the squeaky wheel when it comes to this.
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          • Craigsca
            Rookie
            • Dec 2003
            • 276

            #170
            Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

            Originally posted by JaySmooov
            It's not that, it's just that people are quoting this info like it's the final build, and they're shipping "this" to stores tomorrow. I take this info with a grain of salt. Plus, you can't make a real inference until you get the game in your hands.

            I remember this same response happening over the NCAA 11 demo last year.
            So, tell me why a critical piece of gameplay that has never functioned properly in multiple iterations of the game -- such as PA passing or the ability for the CPU to run out of the spread -- will be fixed in the short timeframe between demo build and final release? Now, if they mention it being fixed that's one thing, but it sounds to me like they've ignored these issues for a while and have no intent to fix them in such a short time period.

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            • acts238shaun
              MVP
              • Dec 2005
              • 2714

              #171
              Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

              They did say that they would drop tuners in the demo vid so the demo played like the retail version, unless I am imagining things.

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              • Rules
                Go Irish
                • Jul 2002
                • 3813

                #172
                Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                Originally posted by jaredlib
                well, I remember posting a couple times a week ago that as soon as the demo comes out, watch out on these forums.

                I have two things to say, one on each side of the coin.

                A.) This is nowhere near a recent build of the game, it was submitted more than 6 weeks ago if I remember correctly.

                B.) That being said, the gameplay shown in this video is very concerning. Yes, the CPU shotgun running is absolutely atrocious. Ball Carrier logic seemed flawed as well. There were a number of issues from NCAA 11 apparent in this demo footage and you can't blame people for noticing that.

                I just hope that EA has spent the time to fix these things in the 2 months or so they had had before the game goes gold.
                Correct and if these problems from what we are seeing in the demo were never addressed then it is too late now as the game has already gone gold.

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                • Wildcats302
                  MVP
                  • May 2011
                  • 1046

                  #173
                  Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                  Originally posted by mtoo22
                  Okay, so we aren't allowed to make judgements on these videos. Why show them if to not show off? If you call me and tell me al about your new car, then shows me a picture of it and it looks like crap, am I supposed to wait until I see it in person? I'm just saying in fairness to the NCAA Team, this probably is not the newest build.

                  ALSO

                  Ben looks like a tomato, it must be hot in there or he is really sunburnt
                  My car might get totally pimped out before you see it in person 2 months later...just like this demo is a build of 2 months before release most likely. It would be like me telling you this is the now picture of the car but wait for the final product to make a final judgment and you are still acting like the sky is falling and I have a crap car.

                  The truth is, you do not know how it will turn out.

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                  • The JareBear
                    Be Good To One Another
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 11560

                    #174
                    Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                    I also have to say, that I think EA relies too much on just releasing "tuner packs." When Ben was asked questions about fixing issues in the game in previous videos he would say "we tuned this" or "we tuned that," well maybe instead of tuning we need rip stuff out and rebuild a better part to put back in to make it work better from the ground up.
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                    • themassacre771.1
                      Rookie
                      • May 2011
                      • 331

                      #175
                      Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                      I really really hope they fix shotgun running

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                      • Bumble14
                        Producer - EA Sports
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 808

                        #176
                        Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                        Originally posted by ChaseB
                        Just for the record, I actually saw some nice shotgun running by CPU, as well as some nice mobile QB plays from the shotgun when watching the E3 demo.
                        Chase also witnessed a very aggressive Baylor spread attack take me apart.

                        I think this issue has more to do with Oregon than "spread" teams. For some reason the Ducks can't seem to get any type of ground game going out of the shotgun, yet other CPU teams I saw at E3 with similar offenses were pretty dynamic.
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                        • dan_457
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 4106

                          #177
                          Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                          Originally posted by jaredlib
                          I also have to say, that I think EA relies too much on just releasing "tuner packs." When Ben was asked questions about fixing issues in the game in previous videos he would say "we tuned this" or "we tuned that," well maybe instead of tuning we need rip stuff out and rebuild a better part to put back in to make it work better from the ground up.
                          By tuned, I'm sure he doesn't mean they have tuner packs already planned. Just replace tuned with tweaked in those sentences. Once we get the game and tear it to shreds, then they'll start releasing the crappy tuner packs.
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                          • JaySmooov
                            Banned
                            • May 2011
                            • 1693

                            #178
                            Originally posted by Craigsca
                            So, tell me why a critical piece of gameplay that has never functioned properly in multiple iterations of the game -- such as PA passing or the ability for the CPU to run out of the spread -- will be fixed in the short timeframe between demo build and final release? Now, if they mention it being fixed that's one thing, but it sounds to me like they've ignored these issues for a while and have no intent to fix them in such a short time period.
                            I'm not saying they would completely fix them - it's a video game, things like this will never be "fixed." Even, ways to cheese in NBA 2K11 became apparent, like driving to the hole with LeBron/Wade-esque players, then (after the patch where animations/interactions were added) lead passing became prominent.

                            They can always tune the PA passing and shotgun running, but it's not like they're gonna scrap it.

                            Either way, it looked like what I expected, a demo build.

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                              Go Irish
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 3813

                              #179
                              Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                              Originally posted by Craigsca
                              So, tell me why a critical piece of gameplay that has never functioned properly in multiple iterations of the game -- such as PA passing or the ability for the CPU to run out of the spread -- will be fixed in the short timeframe between demo build and final release? Now, if they mention it being fixed that's one thing, but it sounds to me like they've ignored these issues for a while and have no intent to fix them in such a short time period.
                              See this is why I had to chime in. This has been my pet peeve since day one. Fix this before adding fluff that doesn't really change the gameplay. Dreadlocks.........mascots.........needed to be added last instead of what I perceive was a primary goal this year. Are there other improvements and other issues fixed, clearly yes from what I have seen. However, you just touched on the two plays that are widely used in college football and that is has to make you question their priorities.

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                              • DorianDonP
                                MVP
                                • May 2010
                                • 1121

                                #180
                                Re: NCAA Football 12 Demo Details Revealed Today, Demo Streaming LIVE Now

                                Originally posted by Bumble14
                                Chase also witnessed a very aggressive Baylor spread attack take me apart.

                                I think this issue has more to do with Oregon than "spread" teams. For some reason the Ducks can't seem to get any type of ground game going out of the shotgun, yet other CPU teams I saw at E3 with similar offenses were pretty dynamic.
                                Then something is broken if that is the case.

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