Fact or Fiction: NCAA Football 12 Outlook

[sparkdawg777]

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I'm not saying you in general, i quoted this because you brought the point up first.

I think there gets to be a pretty divided misunderstanding when it comes to presentation.

Seems to me people get presentation and commentary confused. Lets face it, the game presentation is excellent, bevo is unbelievable. EA's gone to great extent on making the game feel and sound like college football.

Commentary is where I think people get disappointed with, we've been hearing a lot of the same lines, same stuff for a long time. Every year it seems to improve however, yet it's certainly not like watching a live game on saturday night.

Just my ½ cent here, i'm not complaining, just pointing out I feel there is some misunderstanding.

To me I understand presentation as the way a game is presented, from commentary to graphics (ESPN), to camera angles and replays, to cut scenes/entrances. That is presentation. As far as the entrances I think EA is doing a fine job but commentary is weak and I still am not sold on the ESPN style, they have the graphics but they have got to go to Madden's new replays and cutscenes like a real life broadcast.

My thought of presentation might be off, maybe I'm missing something or including something that shouldn't be but that is the way I see it.

[kevj349]

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Even if nothing changed my suction, I still feel like it completely changes the game and how it is played. Gone are the days of magical spin moves that help you bust huge runs every other play. The feel of the game is just so much different. Many errors still exist but that doesn't mean the game doesn't feel completely different.

[bamabound2010]

very nice view guys very nice

[DJ]

Good stuff, Christian. I thought your responses were constructed very well and you were able to have an adult discussion about Jayson's take without resorting to name-calling or mocking his opinions, of which he is 100% entitled to.

I found myself agreeing with a lot of what you and Dustin brought to the table in this article. It was a great read. I hope we see more articles like this moving forward.

[Armor and Sword]

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Great read guys. I can't wait till Maddens demo drops. This place will be on fire.


Good stuff.

[bspang2]

The write up on Jayson Young's response was simply perfect. Jayson has some great insight and from his game references in his response I can tell he's done his homework. However, to call the NCAA Franchise a second-tier franchise is a bit ridiculous. I've been playing college football games since Sega Sports presented "College Football National Championships". NCAA 11 was absolutely the best game to launch for this gen-console, and NCAA 12 took it up another level. Whether you feel it's NCAA 11.5 or 12 the franchise is second to none, in my opinion. By simply playing the NCAA 12 Demo and then going back and playing the retail version of NCAA 11, there's no comparison. The demo for NCAA 12 has far better gameplay then the retail version of NCAA 11? To me that says it all right there. Obviously there are always going to be the "Debbie Downers" every year no matter what, and they will seek out every little missing/negative thing with every game. Blog about it, post YouTube videos of some flaws... think about it, its a video game! I believe someone wrote in there comments about having "a smarter CPU that actually plays like a human" . I mean that would be AWESOME but unrealistic, how can we ever expect a video game computer to react and/or play like a human? Get real.

I'm excited for this years game, the more I play the demo the more I like the game play and feel of it. Much of the feedback from the individuals that have played the game at E3 is that the demo is off an old build. The version they played at E3 was an updated version and is much better then the demo. Just with that said not only am I buying, I'm reserving, and I'm going at midnight (if gamestop does it again) to get the game. I simply can't wait!!

[jfsolo]

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The XX.5 designation should be napalmed out of existence. Its such an intellectually dishonest statement, bereft any shred of thoughtful analysis. Within the gaming universe, I think of it as a slur.

Say that you think that X, Y, and Z should have been added to the game instead of, A, B, and C, but don't act as if your disappointment in their design choices is indicative of a lackluster effort.

I've cut down on my sports game purchasing by 85% over the last 10 years, because I haven't been happy with the implementation and design decisions of so many of these games, but I would never be so flip as affix any of those game with the dreaded .5 moniker.

The only game that I think really could get that label was MVP 07: NCAA Baseball, if I remember correctly Dr. Jones told us that the team was cut down to like 4 or 5 total people, so you can see why that game really was the essentially the same game.

[labguy]

"How about an Online Dynasty mode that revolutionized online interaction in sports games, complete with Dynasty Anywhere and StoryBuilder. Yeah, mediocre games typically have those types of features."

Can I get an AMEN from the congregation? NCAA is by no means mediocre. The advancements this year may not have that "wow" factor, but play the game and tell me it is the same as 11. No way. The NCAA team has a solid product and decided to focus on gameplay issues (which were much needed). Getting rid of warp tackling alone makes is a success in my eyes.

[hbk_wess]

Is it not July 12th yet!?!?!?!?

[SeaOfRed75]

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The XX.5 designation should be napalmed out of existence. Its such an intellectually dishonest statement, bereft any shred of thoughtful analysis. Within the gaming universe, I think of it as a slur.

Say that you think that X, Y, and Z should have been added to the game instead of, A, B, and C, but don't act as if your disappointment in their design choices is indicative of a lackluster effort.

I've cut down on my sports game purchasing by 85% over the last 10 years, because I haven't been happy with the implementation and design decisions of so many of these games, but I would never be so flip as affix any of those game with the dreaded .5 moniker.

The only game that I think really could get that label was MVP 07: NCAA Baseball, if I remember correctly Dr. Jones told us that the team was cut down to like 4 or 5 total people, so you can see why that game really was the essentially the same game.

Up until they added Augusta this year in Tiger, I would DEFINITELY attach the .5 moniker to the pieces of garbage EA put out for a couple of years in the Tiger series. Tiger actually regressed until they added Augusta and the caddy this year. That imo is deserving of a .5 insult or worse.

[topzzz]

God these guys are so biased it makes me sick.

[BruceAlmighty]

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Before opening the article I knew that everything in there from the two round table guys was going to be pumping up the game.

Pretty transparent write up. You even had some nay sayer staffer get a quote in there just so you could rebuke it. Takes away from the legitimacy of it, IMO.

Don't get me wrong, 11 was a HUGE improvement for the franchise, but what has been added to the game, gameplay wise, this year besides removing suction tackling (which never should have been as bad as it was to begin with), and some new animations?

Perhaps those could be pointed out to me, because I don't see anything else. OL/DL is still bad, blocking in particular.

[Super Glock]

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Great write-up, enjoyed reading it and totally agree!!!

[bukktown]

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The XX.5 designation should be napalmed out of existence. Its such an intellectually dishonest statement, bereft any shred of thoughtful analysis. Within the gaming universe, I think of it as a slur.

Say that you think that X, Y, and Z should have been added to the game instead of, A, B, and C, but don't act as if your disappointment in their design choices is indicative of a lackluster effort.

I've cut down on my sports game purchasing by 85% over the last 10 years, because I haven't been happy with the implementation and design decisions of so many of these games, but I would never be so flip as affix any of those game with the dreaded .5 moniker.

The only game that I think really could get that label was MVP 07: NCAA Baseball, if I remember correctly Dr. Jones told us that the team was cut down to like 4 or 5 total people, so you can see why that game really was the essentially the same game.

You know what? NCAA 11 made such a big leap from NCAA 10 that I often wondered why people didn't call it NCAA 11.5 as a term of affection.

[SeaOfRed75]

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Don't get me wrong, 11 was a HUGE improvement for the franchise, but what has been added to the game, gameplay wise, this year besides removing suction tackling (which never should have been as bad as it was to begin with), and some new animations?

Perhaps those could be pointed out to me, because I don't see anything else. OL/DL is still bad, blocking in particular.

This scares me the most. Football revolves around line play. You dont have a good O or D line and that side of the ball is going to suffer greatly.

By far the most frustrating part of this game. Good O/D lines or lineman individually even go unnoticed and dont stand out the way they should. They all kind of blurred together for me.

Hell for the last year of my 11 dynasty I had a D-line of 98 and 95 ovr DEs and 94 and 92 ovr DTs. All with phenomenal block shed, play recog, etc. Think it showed when you played a team with average OT's trying to sling the ball all over the field?

They fix this and Im on my way to praising the dev team. Im just not sure if this ever happens until we have a physics based engine.